What are your impressions of Jonas' society so far? How is it similar to our society? How is it different from our society?
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Zach.P
i do not think that jonas's community is perfect, i do not believe this for many reasons. jonas's community and our community are similar in many ways. one way is that we both have rules that everyone is supposed to follow, anothers similarity is that a lot of the rules in both our communities many rules are broken. our communities are alos different in many ways, one way is that in their city they get bycicles at age nine and start riding at age nine like we do with cars exept we get our cars and usually start driving at age sixteen. we alos have a sytem were if you break the law you go to jail but do not get kicked out of our town like the community offenders do. one last thing is that we do not get our stuffed animals taken away when we are eight wereas they get theirs are given away when they are still kinda young. those are my impressions on jonas's community.
I believe that Jonas's town is quite complex. For example, Jonas and his community are...well how do you say,different. His life is all in order, the main peole in charge, or the Elders, observe the children when they are elevens and make a choice in what the person will be after The Ceremony of Twelve. For the citizens their life is very easy and well-thought out,but somtimes that can be boring and life would not be worth living, witch is what i believe. In our community life may be hard, but it is worth living because YOU choose it. Personally, i would rather have freedom than have everything done for you.
Gillette G. My impressions of Jonas's is that it's boring. They don't get to choose a profession to enter, they don't get to keep their toys, and they don't even know who their birth parents are. Most of their lives is controlled, but by whom?... That society is simmilar to ours because there are doctory, there are teachers, and others who share their jobs with people today. Also, they ride bikes, have families, go to school, and live in houses. Jonas's community is different because their jobs are chosen by the Elders , who watch them and find their likes and disslikes. Also, you can be forced to leave the community if you commit 3 crimes. All children have their "birthdays" at the same time, december. Elevens get their jobs chosen by the Elders when they turn into a Twelve. Babies are separated form their parents and given a name. Then they are given to a family when they turn "one." If none of the children have been released, there are 50 in each group.
Jess M The Giver My impressions of Jonas's society were that his life is very strict and there are many rules you need to follow. As you go up in age, the rules get more intense and there is more of them. This society is similar to ours, because when you turn a different age you have to go through a ceremony in December. When we turn a different age we have a birthday party usually instead of a ceremony. Also they hang out and go to school with their age group and we do that also. What is different about our society and theirs is that when they turn 12, they have their last ceremony and their life long jobs(titles),get selected by elders. They have to continue that job until their life is over. We don't get a life long job until around 25 or after college. We also get to choose our jobs that we are interested in and want. They don't get to choose their elders choose for them.
Our society is a little similar to Jonas's. He must go to school. Just like we do. I'm not sure exactly how long school is required for Jonas. Jonas's community doesn't give him much choice, his parents don't get to even choose his name! Jonas doesn't get to choose his own title or job to do in the community. His society is different in many ways. Like there are no animals. Only two children allowed per family and there are ceremonies instead of birthdays. Children can't ride their bikes until the are a Nine. Jonas's community is very different from our community.
My impression of Jonas's society so far is that it is a very complicated and intricate one. For example, every year they have a kind of "birthday" celebration for all of the children. At every age you recive a different item, like when you turn nine you are given a bycicle. Another example is that you must apply to recieve a child, and when you get one, it is already named for you. The set of rules they have are also very complicated. Even so, Jonas's society and our society are still very similar. In both societies you have to go to school, you play with friends, do volunteer work, and there are a set of rules in place that everyone must follow. (Even though they are sometimes broken). Our society is also very different from Jonas's. One of the main differences is that when you reach the age of twelve, a group of people in Jonas's society called the Elders assign you a job that you must do for the rest of your life. All year while you are eleven, you are watched by the Elders and then they assign you a job you have the most interest and skills in. You have no choice in the matter, which is not really fair because even if you don't like the job, you are stuck with it anyway. This is my impression so far on Jonas's society. Jonas seems very nervous about what job he will be assigned to, and I am excited to find out.
Jonas' society so far is very different from our society. First of all, in Jonas' society, the "Elders" choose the jobs for the person when they are a Twelve, or twelve years old, istead letting people choose their own jobs. This to me isn't fair at all because even if someone has observed you and maybe knows what you would like, that doesn't really mean they would know what you want to do in the future. Another thing that is very different is, that children are assigned to families when they turn one, unlike how most have there own children. Finally, after they have turned twelve and have been assigned to their job, they pretty much become adults and their jobs take over their life. They no longer really have recreation or are able to hang out with their friends. However their are some similarities. First of all, everyone goes to school and later has a job as an adult. Also, everyone is part of a family, just like in our society. Finally there are rules in our society like there are in Jonas'. However, in Jonas' society the rules are very different. Jonas' society is similar and different from our society.
I think Jonas's community is very close to perfect, but not quite there yet. It is almost perfect because there are so many rules that everyone fallows, and that keeps everyone under control. It isn't perfect though because People do break the rules, and sometimes are released. It is very simalar to our society because they do lots of things we do. For example, we go to school, play with friends, have a family and do community service. I don't know how much service they do, but in both societies, people do community service. Jonas's community isn't like our's because they have certain laws to control the people, like the family unit, and the elders choose the people's jobs. i don't agree with either because thay are to controling.
Carly.R My impressions on Jonas's community vary.I think that all the rules that are being flowed are very controlling. But i think that some aspecst of it are the same as ours. I think it similar by how there life is run is regulay. Every one goes to school, gets jobs and have families. Many of the kids intrest are the same, they like to play and hang out with friends.Every one has a home with families to come home to. But in this community there is a certain twist. The society is very orderly. from picking out the kids name, to when they to ride a bike, what there job is and who there chrildren are. The way they pick the kids jobs is different as well. They watch each kid to see what there ablilties are and what there likes are. I think they do this so each kid is satisfied with the job that they are given. As you can see there a some similarties and diffrences.
I would never want to live in Jonas's community. I don't think it allows you to be your own person. There are so many controlling rules that run and monitor the citizen's lives. Our society is similar to Jonas's community because we all go to school. The children go to school in grades. Our society is also extremely different from Jonas's society. Our society doesn't have as many rules and we have much more freedom of choice. We can choose our jobs and the number of children we want to have. We can also choose the names of our children. There are also no set rituals that we absolutely have to do. We may choose to fallow any religion or belief that we please. Emma M.
Jonas's society is very different from our the children are given to the fammilies and there are ceromonies for the kids one through twelve and no birthdays as for us we have birthdays and celebrations. They can't have abike till their nine ceramony and can't ride one till then either. But in both communities rules are broken, jona's dad breaks a rule when he looks up the childs name in the name book kept for the elders.I think their society is not perfect, they don't even know what animals are.By the twelve ceromny the kids go into their training for their jobs,and even those are chosen for them. Caitlen B.
Joe G My impressions of Jonas's society is that it is pretty normal and prdictable. Jonas's parents know what to expect when Jonas is chosen to do something infront of a crowd. They know if people applaud for him or if they don't. His friends are pretty normal and all of life for Jonas is really safe. The society is different from ours is that we don't know what is going to happen in our lives. Also there were exceptions to the rules because Asher was a new baby and he didn't get thrown out of the society but in our society we are expected to follow the rules even the ones that makes no sense. There society is similar to ours because our society is normal. We know that our society will try to help us if we need it.
My first impression of Jonas’ community was that it is really strict. I also believe that there rules oppress him. One similarity from their community to ours is that we have birthday every time we turn a new age and they have ceremonies they go through at certain ages. It is different form our society because we can drive cars and they have to ride bikes.
My impression of Jonas' society isn't really good. It would be a stinker not to be able to choose my job. What if i got bored of doing one thing. Would they let me switch jobs? Age is like a ranking until after twelve, where they don't kep track. No more than twelve birthdays. Also "comfort objects" get taken away when you're eight. I still have my stuffed animal. Also imaginary animals are bears and elephants??? Well they kind of exist. Also, no bikes until you're nine? I got my first bike when i was six!!! That's not even counting my tricycle that I got when I was three. All in all, I would not choose to live in this society, because i prefer our society.
Virginia D. My impression in Jonas's society is that everything is very controlled. People dont have a lot of say in what they do. The city seems to have a plan for every person and it makes sure that everything is right. Jonas's society is different from ours. People dont pick their occupations, they are picked for them. Kids also have a limit on what they can do at a certain age. for example you cant ride a bike until your a nine. Parents are giving a child that already has a name. They dont get to choose. They also have to fill out an application before getting a child. Jonas's society is like ours because they have Jobs. Both will have the oppertunity to have spouses. They also have schools just like we do with levels or grades. Both society have graduation cermonys.
I think that Jonas's society is actually very different and kind of weird. It has so many different rules and objectives that need to be meant. I think that it is very structured and not exactly in a good way. It is similair to our society because for example, when the kids get older they have more responsibility and become more independent and mature. When lily turns eight she has to get rid of her "confort object." that is kind of like our way of life. When I was little I had to get rid of my blankets and stuff because my parents thought it would "stunt my learning." (dont ask =]) Another thing that happens in Jonas's society is the Cereomny of Twelve. This is when all kids turning twelve get assigned a job. Just like in our world, we have to grow up sometime and start porividing for our families. It may not be exactly the same, but it follows the same concept. As well as being similiar, it is also very different from the way we live. We don't get jobs ASSIGNED to us. to a certain extent, we actually get to pick what work field we want to work in. Another difference is that from the clues i've gathered, the parents dont have their own kids. There are people that are actually assigned to have your kid. I find that to be kind of awkward because in our world, we have our own children. Also in Jonas's society, you dont get to name your own kid. You actually get assigned a child name from the naming list. That is very different than the way we live. How we live, we get to actaully pick out our own name whatever we think suits our child. There are namy differences as well as similarities in both our societies.
Tori B. My impression of Jonas' society so far is that their society has too many rules. their society is similar because they have specific jobs, talents, and a controlling government. Some of the jobs you can have are a Nurturer, Doctor, Engineer, Laborers, and Department of Justice. Everyone has something they are good at and the government is sort of like an onarchy and a democracy rolled into one. There are also many differences. One difference is that they are given a life and job while we get to choose. They also don't really get a say in the rules. And not everyone is able to get a job they actually like.
While reading the book The Giver, readers have many different impressions on Jonas' society. My impression on his society is that it is very strict with enforcing laws and controling towards citizens lives. For example, in the book Jonas and his family often discuss the many rules of their society. The society has many ab-normal rules like only being able to have two kids or having to always tell your feelings everynight at dinner. If a citizen in Jonas' society goes against one of the rules, they will be punished for their wrong doing and if they keep breaking the rules they will be "released". The author hasn't given us a description of what being released means, but Jonas claims that it is the worst possible thing a person can do to another. Another impression I have on Jonas' community is that the people who goveern it are very controling towards what goes on inside the community and are also controling over the people in their societies lives. For example, people in the community are assigned jobs to them when they turn twelve after people observe them in public and depending on what kind of community service they do. I woudln't like someone picking my job for me without a say in what I will be working on for the rest of my life. Also the community leaders decide each child's name and who their parents will be after they are born. Parents don't have a say in who their child will be or even what name it will have. I believe the authorities are very controling over their people, and don't give them enough power or say in their lives. Jonas' community is different from ours because we don't have ceremonies to approve people of their birthday. In our society people celebrate with their family and friends but in Jonas' society the whole community celebrates it with you and everyone has the same birthday no matter what day they are born. People in Jonas' society are put into a group on the year they were born, and everyone is the same age with the same birthday in that group and everyone goes onto the next age at the same time on the same day. A similarity between our society and Jonas' is that the way children are brought up with families. Like our society children go to school, talk/hang out with friends, and enjoy recreational activities. Also children in both socieites are expected to do well and try in school. Our society and Jonas' have similarities and differences and while reading it was easy to make impressions on Jonas' society.
Jonas’s society is very different then ours. Every year at December everyone gets moved up to the next age group and all the children born during the year , it doesn’t matter when your birthday is. Each family that is going to receive a one goes up on stage (one at a time) and receives the one and their name. Then each age group goes on stage and has their ceremony. When you become a nine, you receive a bike and when you become a twelve you receive an assignment (a job) that you have for the rest of your life. The Elders observe the elevens at volunteer time and recreation time so only rarely does someone get an assignment that they don’t like. If they do get an assignment they don’t like they can appeal to the Elders. The twelves ceremony is the last ceremony that you receive because you get your assignment and just go on with your life. Other differences is that each family can only have one son and one daughter, no one is allowed to fly their plane over the community, you get an assignment when you are a “twelve”, the children are not allowed to talk about being released, all children are called something (i.e. if you are eleven you are called “an eleven”) and if you commit a crime or break a rule more than three times, you will be released. Also if you are late to class you have to recite an apology and then the class and the instructor have to accept your apology. Jonas’s society is also similar to our society. The little kids have rules at the playground like us. When you are first born you have to be taken care of by a Nurturs (or nurses) just like ours. Some families have a family discussion during dinner or after dinner, to talk about their day and console each other. The rule in Jonas’s society is if you commit a crime or break a rule three times, you are released. This is kind of like our rule because when you commit a crime or break a law, you are sent to jail. My impression of Jonas’s society is that they are weird and they are very strict. I would not be able to live in this society because how strict and weird they are. I would eventually go insane and either leave or get released. This is an community for people who like a lot of rules and like to be controlled. It seems like these people have very boring lives because when you become twelve you get an assignment (a job) and you then have that same assignment for the rest of your life. This would eventually get boring which would be another reason I could not live here.
♥~Bryce G.~♥ My impresions of Jonas's community is not very good. I beleive the rule that limits a family to 1 daughter and 1 son is very unfair. Also, having your future choosen for you when you are 12 is not a very good idea. Children should be able to have a long happy childhood and not have their future decided for them by how they acted as they were very young. Our communities are also similar. When a rule is broken in eigther community, action is taken. Although our means of doing so may be differnt, both societies enforce the laws. The rules about younger children not being able to ride bikes seems a little rediculus to me. Another way our communities are similar is rules, or in our case, Ammendmants, are very hard to change because it takes so long. A difference is that while children in out community are encouraged to be young and youthfull for as long as possible, Jonas's tries to discourage that bye taking away their stuffed animal. I am not very impressed with Jonas's community right now.
bryce: I think your right about it not being fair to have 1 daughter and 1 son only.It's not right and even then the children don't know who their real parents are.And to have your future chosen for you at 12years old.They should have to choose their future for themselves.How tfhey act at 12 isn't how their going to act when their 30.
I agree with you that the people who govern Jonas' community are very controling. I definitely wouldn't want someone else choosing my job for me and me having to do that the rest of my life. I don't think that that is fair at all either.
To: Lianne S. From: Ellie G. (Forgot my questions!)
Do you think that Jonas is very different than everyone else in his community with his eyes and how he saw the apple supposedly change? If so, do you think that the community accepts that?
I agree with how they assign the jobs is different. Would you rather pick your jobs are had is assigned to you? I think either choice has its ups and downs. I had also come to the same conclusion that the parents that are in the book are not actually there parents. I also agree that it would be awkward, but I think the people in this community don't realize that they could have there own baby, so they don’t consider having there own child. I think that they are so used to the way that they live currently, that they don’t think twice about it.
I think it is a stupid idea to make all the childrens birthdays at the same time. I also believe that it is wrong to realease some one when you can punish them or put them in jail.
I agree with you living in a extremly controlled society is a little too boring. I could imagine starting a career and being stuck with it your whole life. I also think the bike rule is WAY too extreme I know kids who can ride and their like 6.
I agree that the bike rule is a little ridiculous and that they should be able to choose what they want to do. I don't even know what I want to do! And if I don't know, how can someone who barely knows me choose for me? I think that this is an example of how a Utopia gives up personal choice and has total control. What do you think?
I really liked reading your comment, it was full of details that while reading the book I never really thought of. I agree with you when you said that the city seems to have a plan for each citizen, it does seem like everyone is very controlled in their life. For example, the city gives each person a job depending on what they feel is good for them. Also the people in charge give people their own children with names already assigned to them. The city seems like they want each person to have a certain future ahead of them, because they are controlling who and what effect peoples lives. You stated that Jonas' society was different but similar to ours at the same time, what society would you rather live in. Do you like the differences and similaries of each coommunity? Hope you enjoy reading The Giver!
I am not impressed with the society because there are too many rules that are pointless. I don’t think that some of there rules should be in affect. As children get older the rules gets stricter. Another reason I don’t like this society is because you get all of your comfort objects taken away when you turn into an eight. I still have a stuffed animal from my real mother and would be pretty mad if someone tried to take it away from me. Their society is similar to ours because we have birthdays and they have special ceremonies. Our “ceremony” happens every year and theirs happens only certain years. The societies are different because they don’t get to choose their job, their elders choose for them. We get to choose what job we want.
My impressions of Jonas’ society is that it is very orderly and committed to perfection, but strange at the same time. That society and our society both have rules that seem silly, but at the same time, the rules in Jonas’ society are very different from the rules in ours. Their rules are greater in number and deal with things like handling feelings, whereas the rules and laws in our society are more general. Jonas’ society seems to care a lot more for individual health and well-being as opposed to the community as a whole. I think that a mix of the two societies would be healthy, because then individual people and the community could be taken care of equally.
My impression of Jonas' society is that it is very controlled. It is similar to our society because it has rules and punisments. Another way it is similar is that people have jobs. The two societies are similar but also very different from each other. For example in Jonas' society jobs are not chosen by the person they are assigned. Another way that it is different is that they have no jails. Instead with three transgressions you are released. Being released is a punishment and a gift, this makes it hard to guess what actually is happening.
I don't think the society is that normal. Some of it is but most of it doesn't make sense. Sure they take care of each other but they don't know anything else. In our society we have that choice in action.
I agree with what you are saying. We do get to be with other kids in our age group. though the rules are very strict, some of them make sense. I think it is not fair thatwhen you turn twelve in there society they get there job of life already. They should stay in school until they are eighteen. It would make more sense cause kids that are twelve don't learn much and don't understand the finer things in life.
I think it is a stupid idea to have all the kids on the same birthday. it's not as special to have everyones b-day on the same day.Most of the parents forget how old they are, they don't bother to count after the ceeromoie of twelve.Then to tell the adalts that they can't have children unless your a birthmother and even then the mother gets the child tooken away after birth.
WOW! i never thought about how they wouldn't know about the ability to have their own child. You are probably right, they most likely dont know that they could "rebel" against the "rules" and give birth to their own child. Do you think that maybe Jonas will grow up and have his OWN kid? Thats what my prediction is. Enjoy the book!!!
I totally agree with you that Jonas's society is not perfect and that they are kind of like us. There are also some things that Jonas's society does differently too. I dont agree with how Jonas's society rules and laws and how controlling they are.
To: Anonymous From: Bryce Thanks for commenting on my blog. I agree on how children will not be the same as they are when they are 30 as when they where 12. Who are you?:)
You are right about how they have really ab-normal rules. It kind of reminds about how the chinese culture used to be when they could only have 2 kids. That sort of thing is interpreted into this book. Another rule, about sharing their feelings is kind of weird. Though I do think it could have it's benefits. Would you think that it would more of a good thing or MORE of a bad thing? talk to you later
Your comment was full of detail! Jonas' society does seem somewhat strange because as you get older more responsibility is given to you. Why do you think that when you turn a certain age your "comfort object" gets taken away. Its somewhat strange how in Jonas' society they don't know what animals in our society are, and think that names like "elephant" are different, when we don't think that its stange when a preson talks about an animal. Hope you enjoy the book, please right back!
I know how you feel, like how is somebody who doesn't spend all their time with supsed to decide what you do for your whole life? Also, it's a life time comitment, so there's no going back.
The giver kind of reminds me of the book Uglies. Both societies wont let anyone make their own decision and make up a certain life for each person. I think that Jonas is going to rebell against the rules like Tally did in Uglies.
Thanks for responding to my response! I think that Jonas isn't very different from his society just because of his looks and the way he sees certain objects. Although Jonas looks different from his society with his eye color, that doens't mean a lot because others have light eyes. Also the book only mentioned eye color with appearence, others could have different hair, weight, and more. Also just because Jonas' saw the apple differently for a second it doesn't mean he is different in my opinion. It could have been the light catching the apple in a different way, or the sun could have been in his eyes. The community doesn't mention Jonas' looks because it is considered rude, so I believe the community accepts and likes Jonas. If they thought Jonas was too different to fit in, they may have already released him or taken him aside and talked to him. Also Jonas never went into a conversation with anyone about the apple, so nobody knows about what Jonas saw. I hope you are enjoying the book but do you think Jonas stands out from others in his community? Write back please!
Thanks for responding to my response! I think that Jonas isn't very different from his society just because of his looks and the way he sees certain objects. Although Jonas looks different from his society with his eye color, that doens't mean a lot because others have light eyes. Also the book only mentioned eye color with appearence, others could have different hair, weight, and more. Also just because Jonas' saw the apple differently for a second it doesn't mean he is different in my opinion. It could have been the light catching the apple in a different way, or the sun could have been in his eyes. The community doesn't mention Jonas' looks because it is considered rude, so I believe the community accepts and likes Jonas. If they thought Jonas was too different to fit in, they may have already released him or taken him aside and talked to him. Also Jonas never went into a conversation with anyone about the apple, so nobody knows about what Jonas saw. I hope you are enjoying the book but do you think Jonas stands out from others in his community? Write back please!
I think that by sharing yoru feelings it may be a good thing so people can get help if they feel suicidial, or if they are very depressed. That way the family of the person can help the person get help to cure them of their disease. However although it may be good to have people more open I can see how it is unfair to the community members. Some thoughts are more private than others, and you wouldn't want other people to know what goes inside your head. Of course I don't see why you couldn't lie about your feelings because the community can't control how your mind thinks and won't know the difference. Also what if you say a secret when sharing feelings, and it gets out to others because your sibling told other people. I don't know how I would re-act to sharing all of my thoughs. Would you rather share dreams or your feelings? Also do you think that by sharing feelings you can be closer with your family or more os a distance from them? Talk to you soon, and hope that you are enjoying the book!
I also read the book Uglies and I really liked it because it took place in a totally different society from which we are used to. I agree with you when you said that it seems like both societies are controling people, and have the people totally convinced that the aauthorities are good and arne't planning bad things for them. Which society is less controling or secretive towards its community members, and if you could choose what soceity would you rather live in (Tally's or Jonas')? Respond back and enjoy your book!
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Zach.P
i do not think that jonas's community is perfect, i do not believe this for many reasons. jonas's community and our community are similar in many ways. one way is that we both have rules that everyone is supposed to follow, anothers similarity is that a lot of the rules in both our communities many rules are broken. our communities are alos different in many ways, one way is that in their city they get bycicles at age nine and start riding at age nine like we do with cars exept we get our cars and usually start driving at age sixteen. we alos have a sytem were if you break the law you go to jail but do not get kicked out of our town like the community offenders do. one last thing is that we do not get our stuffed animals taken away when we are eight wereas they get theirs are given away when they are still kinda young. those are my impressions on jonas's community.
I believe that Jonas's town is quite complex. For example, Jonas and his community are...well how do you say,different. His life is all in order, the main peole in charge, or the Elders, observe the children when they are elevens and make a choice in what the person will be after The Ceremony of Twelve. For the citizens their life is very easy and well-thought out,but somtimes that can be boring and life would not be worth living, witch is what i believe. In our community life may be hard, but it is worth living because YOU choose it. Personally, i would rather have freedom than have everything done for you.
-B. Carroll
Gillette G.
My impressions of Jonas's is that it's boring. They don't get to choose a profession to enter, they don't get to keep their toys, and they don't even know who their birth parents are. Most of their lives is controlled, but by whom?... That society is simmilar to ours because there are doctory, there are teachers, and others who share their jobs with people today. Also, they ride bikes, have families, go to school, and live in houses. Jonas's community is different because their jobs are chosen by the Elders , who watch them and find their likes and disslikes. Also, you can be forced to leave the community if you commit 3 crimes. All children have their "birthdays" at the same time, december. Elevens get their jobs chosen by the Elders when they turn into a Twelve. Babies are separated form their parents and given a name. Then they are given to a family when they turn "one." If none of the children have been released, there are 50 in each group.
Jess M
The Giver
My impressions of Jonas's society were that his life is very strict and there are many rules you need to follow. As you go up in age, the rules get more intense and there is more of them. This society is similar to ours, because when you turn a different age you have to go through a ceremony in December. When we turn a different age we have a birthday party usually instead of a ceremony. Also they hang out and go to school with their age group and we do that also. What is different about our society and theirs is that when they turn 12, they have their last ceremony and their life long jobs(titles),get selected by elders. They have to continue that job until their life is over. We don't get a life long job until around 25 or after college. We also get to choose our jobs that we are interested in and want. They don't get to choose their elders choose for them.
Our society is a little similar to Jonas's. He must go to school. Just like we do. I'm not sure exactly how long school is required for Jonas. Jonas's community doesn't give him much choice, his parents don't get to even choose his name! Jonas doesn't get to choose his own title or job to do in the community. His society is different in many ways. Like there are no animals. Only two children allowed per family and there are ceremonies instead of birthdays. Children can't ride their bikes until the are a Nine. Jonas's community is very different from our community.
~ Megan M.
My impression of Jonas's society so far is that it is a very complicated and intricate one. For example, every year they have a kind of "birthday" celebration for all of the children. At every age you recive a different item, like when you turn nine you are given a bycicle. Another example is that you must apply to recieve a child, and when you get one, it is already named for you. The set of rules they have are also very complicated. Even so, Jonas's society and our society are still very similar. In both societies you have to go to school, you play with friends, do volunteer work, and there are a set of rules in place that everyone must follow. (Even though they are sometimes broken). Our society is also very different from Jonas's. One of the main differences is that when you reach the age of twelve, a group of people in Jonas's society called the Elders assign you a job that you must do for the rest of your life. All year while you are eleven, you are watched by the Elders and then they assign you a job you have the most interest and skills in. You have no choice in the matter, which is not really fair because even if you don't like the job, you are stuck with it anyway. This is my impression so far on Jonas's society. Jonas seems very nervous about what job he will be assigned to, and I am excited to find out.
Jonas' society so far is very different from our society. First of all, in Jonas' society, the "Elders" choose the jobs for the person when they are a Twelve, or twelve years old, istead letting people choose their own jobs. This to me isn't fair at all because even if someone has observed you and maybe knows what you would like, that doesn't really mean they would know what you want to do in the future. Another thing that is very different is, that children are assigned to families when they turn one, unlike how most have there own children. Finally, after they have turned twelve and have been assigned to their job, they pretty much become adults and their jobs take over their life. They no longer really have recreation or are able to hang out with their friends. However their are some similarities. First of all, everyone goes to school and later has a job as an adult. Also, everyone is part of a family, just like in our society. Finally there are rules in our society like there are in Jonas'. However, in Jonas' society the rules are very different. Jonas' society is similar and different from our society.
~Sydney J.~
I think Jonas's community is very close to perfect, but not quite there yet. It is almost perfect because there are so many rules that everyone fallows, and that keeps everyone under control. It isn't perfect though because People do break the rules, and sometimes are released. It is very simalar to our society because they do lots of things we do. For example, we go to school, play with friends, have a family and do community service. I don't know how much service they do, but in both societies, people do community service. Jonas's community isn't like our's because they have certain laws to control the people, like the family unit, and the elders choose the people's jobs. i don't agree with either because thay are to controling.
Carly.R
My impressions on Jonas's community vary.I think that all the rules that are being flowed are very controlling. But i think that some aspecst of it are the same as ours. I think it similar by how there life is run is regulay. Every one goes to school, gets jobs and have families. Many of the kids intrest are the same, they like to play and hang out with friends.Every one has a home with families to come home to. But in this community there is a certain twist. The society is very orderly. from picking out the kids name, to when they to ride a bike, what there job is and who there chrildren are. The way they pick the kids jobs is different as well. They watch each kid to see what there ablilties are and what there likes are. I think they do this so each kid is satisfied with the job that they are given. As you can see there a some similarties and diffrences.
I would never want to live in Jonas's community. I don't think it allows you to be your own person. There are so many controlling rules that run and monitor the citizen's lives. Our society is similar to Jonas's community because we all go to school. The children go to school in grades. Our society is also extremely different from Jonas's society. Our society doesn't have as many rules and we have much more freedom of choice. We can choose our jobs and the number of children we want to have. We can also choose the names of our children. There are also no set rituals that we absolutely have to do. We may choose to fallow any religion or belief that we please.
Emma M.
Jonas's society is very different from our the children are given to the fammilies and there are ceromonies for the kids one through twelve and no birthdays as for us we have birthdays and celebrations. They can't have abike till their nine ceramony and can't ride one till then either. But in both communities rules are broken, jona's dad breaks a rule when he looks up the childs name in the name book kept for the elders.I think their society is not perfect, they don't even know what animals are.By the twelve ceromny the kids go into their training for their jobs,and even those are chosen for them. Caitlen B.
Joe G
My impressions of Jonas's society is that it is pretty normal and prdictable. Jonas's parents know what to expect when Jonas is chosen to do something infront of a crowd. They know if people applaud for him or if they don't. His friends are pretty normal and all of life for Jonas is really safe.
The society is different from ours is that we don't know what is going to happen in our lives. Also there were exceptions to the rules because Asher was a new baby and he didn't get thrown out of the society but in our society we are expected to follow the rules even the ones that makes no sense.
There society is similar to ours because our society is normal. We know that our society will try to help us if we need it.
Allyson K.
The Giver
My first impression of Jonas’ community was that it is really strict. I also believe that there rules oppress him. One similarity from their community to ours is that we have birthday every time we turn a new age and they have ceremonies they go through at certain ages. It is different form our society because we can drive cars and they have to ride bikes.
Elena Q
My impression of Jonas' society isn't really good. It would be a stinker not to be able to choose my job. What if i got bored of doing one thing. Would they let me switch jobs? Age is like a ranking until after twelve, where they don't kep track. No more than twelve birthdays.
Also "comfort objects" get taken away when you're eight. I still have my stuffed animal. Also imaginary animals are bears and elephants??? Well they kind of exist.
Also, no bikes until you're nine? I got my first bike when i was six!!! That's not even counting my tricycle that I got when I was three.
All in all, I would not choose to live in this society, because i prefer our society.
Virginia D.
My impression in Jonas's society is that everything is very controlled. People dont have a lot of say in what they do. The city seems to have a plan for every person and it makes sure that everything is right.
Jonas's society is different from ours. People dont pick their occupations, they are picked for them. Kids also have a limit on what they can do at a certain age. for example you cant ride a bike until your a nine. Parents are giving a child that already has a name. They dont get to choose. They also have to fill out an application before getting a child.
Jonas's society is like ours because they have Jobs. Both will have the oppertunity to have spouses. They also have schools just like we do with levels or grades. Both society have graduation cermonys.
Alex B. =]
I think that Jonas's society is actually very different and kind of weird. It has so many different rules and objectives that need to be meant. I think that it is very structured and not exactly in a good way. It is similair to our society because for example, when the kids get older they have more responsibility and become more independent and mature. When lily turns eight she has to get rid of her "confort object." that is kind of like our way of life. When I was little I had to get rid of my blankets and stuff because my parents thought it would "stunt my learning." (dont ask =]) Another thing that happens in Jonas's society is the Cereomny of Twelve. This is when all kids turning twelve get assigned a job. Just like in our world, we have to grow up sometime and start porividing for our families. It may not be exactly the same, but it follows the same concept. As well as being similiar, it is also very different from the way we live. We don't get jobs ASSIGNED to us. to a certain extent, we actually get to pick what work field we want to work in. Another difference is that from the clues i've gathered, the parents dont have their own kids. There are people that are actually assigned to have your kid. I find that to be kind of awkward because in our world, we have our own children. Also in Jonas's society, you dont get to name your own kid. You actually get assigned a child name from the naming list. That is very different than the way we live. How we live, we get to actaully pick out our own name whatever we think suits our child. There are namy differences as well as similarities in both our societies.
Tori B.
My impression of Jonas' society so far is that their society has too many rules. their society is similar because they have specific jobs, talents, and a controlling government. Some of the jobs you can have are a Nurturer, Doctor, Engineer, Laborers, and Department of Justice. Everyone has something they are good at and the government is sort of like an onarchy and a democracy rolled into one. There are also many differences. One difference is that they are given a life and job while we get to choose. They also don't really get a say in the rules. And not everyone is able to get a job they actually like.
Lianne S
While reading the book The Giver, readers have many different impressions on Jonas' society. My impression on his society is that it is very strict with enforcing laws and controling towards citizens lives. For example, in the book Jonas and his family often discuss the many rules of their society. The society has many ab-normal rules like only being able to have two kids or having to always tell your feelings everynight at dinner. If a citizen in Jonas' society goes against one of the rules, they will be punished for their wrong doing and if they keep breaking the rules they will be "released". The author hasn't given us a description of what being released means, but Jonas claims that it is the worst possible thing a person can do to another. Another impression I have on Jonas' community is that the people who goveern it are very controling towards what goes on inside the community and are also controling over the people in their societies lives. For example, people in the community are assigned jobs to them when they turn twelve after people observe them in public and depending on what kind of community service they do. I woudln't like someone picking my job for me without a say in what I will be working on for the rest of my life. Also the community leaders decide each child's name and who their parents will be after they are born. Parents don't have a say in who their child will be or even what name it will have. I believe the authorities are very controling over their people, and don't give them enough power or say in their lives. Jonas' community is different from ours because we don't have ceremonies to approve people of their birthday. In our society people celebrate with their family and friends but in Jonas' society the whole community celebrates it with you and everyone has the same birthday no matter what day they are born. People in Jonas' society are put into a group on the year they were born, and everyone is the same age with the same birthday in that group and everyone goes onto the next age at the same time on the same day. A similarity between our society and Jonas' is that the way children are brought up with families. Like our society children go to school, talk/hang out with friends, and enjoy recreational activities. Also children in both socieites are expected to do well and try in school. Our society and Jonas' have similarities and differences and while reading it was easy to make impressions on Jonas' society.
Hannah C.
Jonas’s society is very different then ours. Every year at December everyone gets moved up to the next age group and all the children born during the year , it doesn’t matter when your birthday is. Each family that is going to receive a one goes up on stage (one at a time) and receives the one and their name. Then each age group goes on stage and has their ceremony. When you become a nine, you receive a bike and when you become a twelve you receive an assignment (a job) that you have for the rest of your life. The Elders observe the elevens at volunteer time and recreation time so only rarely does someone get an assignment that they don’t like. If they do get an assignment they don’t like they can appeal to the Elders. The twelves ceremony is the last ceremony that you receive because you get your assignment and just go on with your life. Other differences is that each family can only have one son and one daughter, no one is allowed to fly their plane over the community, you get an assignment when you are a “twelve”, the children are not allowed to talk about being released, all children are called something (i.e. if you are eleven you are called “an eleven”) and if you commit a crime or break a rule more than three times, you will be released. Also if you are late to class you have to recite an apology and then the class and the instructor have to accept your apology.
Jonas’s society is also similar to our society. The little kids have rules at the playground like us. When you are first born you have to be taken care of by a Nurturs (or nurses) just like ours. Some families have a family discussion during dinner or after dinner, to talk about their day and console each other. The rule in Jonas’s society is if you commit a crime or break a rule three times, you are released. This is kind of like our rule because when you commit a crime or break a law, you are sent to jail.
My impression of Jonas’s society is that they are weird and they are very strict. I would not be able to live in this society because how strict and weird they are. I would eventually go insane and either leave or get released. This is an community for people who like a lot of rules and like to be controlled. It seems like these people have very boring lives because when you become twelve you get an assignment (a job) and you then have that same assignment for the rest of your life. This would eventually get boring which would be another reason I could not live here.
♥~Bryce G.~♥
My impresions of Jonas's community is not very good. I beleive the rule that limits a family to 1 daughter and 1 son is very unfair. Also, having your future choosen for you when you are 12 is not a very good idea. Children should be able to have a long happy childhood and not have their future decided for them by how they acted as they were very young. Our communities are also similar. When a rule is broken in eigther community, action is taken. Although our means of doing so may be differnt, both societies enforce the laws. The rules about younger children not being able to ride bikes seems a little rediculus to me. Another way our communities are similar is rules, or in our case, Ammendmants, are very hard to change because it takes so long. A difference is that while children in out community are encouraged to be young and youthfull for as long as possible, Jonas's tries to discourage that bye taking away their stuffed animal. I am not very impressed with Jonas's community right now.
bryce:
I think your right about it not being fair to have 1 daughter and 1 son only.It's not right and even then the children don't know who their real parents are.And to have your future chosen for you at 12years old.They should have to choose their future for themselves.How tfhey act at 12 isn't how their going to act when their 30.
To: Lianne S.
From: Ellie G.
I agree with you that the people who govern Jonas' community are very controling. I definitely wouldn't want someone else choosing my job for me and me having to do that the rest of my life. I don't think that that is fair at all either.
To: Lianne S.
From: Ellie G.
(Forgot my questions!)
Do you think that Jonas is very different than everyone else in his community with his eyes and how he saw the apple supposedly change? If so, do you think that the community accepts that?
Carly.R to Alex.B
I agree with how they assign the jobs is different. Would you rather pick your jobs are had is assigned to you? I think either choice has its ups and downs. I had also come to the same conclusion that the parents that are in the book are not actually there parents. I also agree that it would be awkward, but I think the people in this community don't realize that they could have there own baby, so they don’t consider having there own child. I think that they are so used to the way that they live currently, that they don’t think twice about it.
I think it is a stupid idea to make all the childrens birthdays at the same time. I also believe that it is wrong to realease some one when you can punish them or put them in jail.
To Elena Q
From ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥♥Virginia D ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥
I agree with you living in a extremly controlled society is a little too boring. I could imagine starting a career and being stuck with it your whole life. I also think the bike rule is WAY too extreme I know kids who can ride and their like 6.
To: Elena Q.
From: Tori B.
I agree that the bike rule is a little ridiculous and that they should be able to choose what they want to do. I don't even know what I want to do! And if I don't know, how can someone who barely knows me choose for me? I think that this is an example of how a Utopia gives up personal choice and has total control. What do you think?
To: Virginia D
From: Lianne S
I really liked reading your comment, it was full of details that while reading the book I never really thought of. I agree with you when you said that the city seems to have a plan for each citizen, it does seem like everyone is very controlled in their life. For example, the city gives each person a job depending on what they feel is good for them. Also the people in charge give people their own children with names already assigned to them. The city seems like they want each person to have a certain future ahead of them, because they are controlling who and what effect peoples lives. You stated that Jonas' society was different but similar to ours at the same time, what society would you rather live in. Do you like the differences and similaries of each coommunity? Hope you enjoy reading The Giver!
I am not impressed with the society because there are too many rules that are pointless. I don’t think that some of there rules should be in affect. As children get older the rules gets stricter. Another reason I don’t like this society is because you get all of your comfort objects taken away when you turn into an eight. I still have a stuffed animal from my real mother and would be pretty mad if someone tried to take it away from me. Their society is similar to ours because we have birthdays and they have special ceremonies. Our “ceremony” happens every year and theirs happens only certain years. The societies are different because they don’t get to choose their job, their elders choose for them. We get to choose what job we want.
My impressions of Jonas’ society is that it is very orderly and committed to perfection, but strange at the same time. That society and our society both have rules that seem silly, but at the same time, the rules in Jonas’ society are very different from the rules in ours. Their rules are greater in number and deal with things like handling feelings, whereas the rules and laws in our society are more general. Jonas’ society seems to care a lot more for individual health and well-being as opposed to the community as a whole. I think that a mix of the two societies would be healthy, because then individual people and the community could be taken care of equally.
Lydia J.
Cody S.
My impression of Jonas' society is that it is very controlled. It is similar to our society because it has rules and punisments. Another way it is similar is that people have jobs. The two societies are similar but also very different from each other. For example in Jonas' society jobs are not chosen by the person they are assigned. Another way that it is different is that they have no jails. Instead with three transgressions you are released. Being released is a punishment and a gift, this makes it hard to guess what actually is happening.
To Joe G.
From Cody S.
I don't think the society is that normal. Some of it is but most of it doesn't make sense. Sure they take care of each other but they don't know anything else. In our society we have that choice in action.
To Jess M
from Joe G
I agree with what you are saying. We do get to be with other kids in our age group. though the rules are very strict, some of them make sense. I think it is not fair thatwhen you turn twelve in there society they get there job of life already. They should stay in school until they are eighteen. It would make more sense cause kids that are twelve don't learn much and don't understand the finer things in life.
I think it is a stupid idea to have all the kids on the same birthday. it's not as special to have everyones b-day on the same day.Most of the parents forget how old they are, they don't bother to count after the ceeromoie of twelve.Then to tell the adalts that they can't have children unless your a birthmother and even then the mother gets the child tooken away after birth.
To: Carly R.
From: Alex B. <3
(iloveyou)
WOW! i never thought about how they wouldn't know about the ability to have their own child. You are probably right, they most likely dont know that they could "rebel" against the "rules" and give birth to their own child. Do you think that maybe Jonas will grow up and have his OWN kid? Thats what my prediction is. Enjoy the book!!!
To: Sydney J.
From: Hannah C.
I totally agree with you that Jonas's society is not perfect and that they are kind of like us. There are also some things that Jonas's society does differently too. I dont agree with how Jonas's society rules and laws and how controlling they are.
To: Anonymous
From: Bryce
Thanks for commenting on my blog. I agree on how children will not be the same as they are when they are 30 as when they where 12. Who are you?:)
To: Lianne S.
From: Alex B. <3 tehe bffff
You are right about how they have really ab-normal rules. It kind of reminds about how the chinese culture used to be when they could only have 2 kids. That sort of thing is interpreted into this book. Another rule, about sharing their feelings is kind of weird. Though I do think it could have it's benefits. Would you think that it would more of a good thing or MORE of a bad thing? talk to you later
To Alex B
From Lianne S :)
Your comment was full of detail! Jonas' society does seem somewhat strange because as you get older more responsibility is given to you. Why do you think that when you turn a certain age your "comfort object" gets taken away. Its somewhat strange how in Jonas' society they don't know what animals in our society are, and think that names like "elephant" are different, when we don't think that its stange when a preson talks about an animal. Hope you enjoy the book, please right back!
Tori
from Elena...
I know how you feel, like how is somebody who doesn't spend all their time with supsed to decide what you do for your whole life? Also, it's a life time comitment, so there's no going back.
To Lianne S
From Virginia
The giver kind of reminds me of the book Uglies. Both societies wont let anyone make their own decision and make up a certain life for each person. I think that Jonas is going to rebell against the rules like Tally did in Uglies.
Response to Ellie-
From Lianne S
Thanks for responding to my response! I think that Jonas isn't very different from his society just because of his looks and the way he sees certain objects. Although Jonas looks different from his society with his eye color, that doens't mean a lot because others have light eyes. Also the book only mentioned eye color with appearence, others could have different hair, weight, and more. Also just because Jonas' saw the apple differently for a second it doesn't mean he is different in my opinion. It could have been the light catching the apple in a different way, or the sun could have been in his eyes. The community doesn't mention Jonas' looks because it is considered rude, so I believe the community accepts and likes Jonas. If they thought Jonas was too different to fit in, they may have already released him or taken him aside and talked to him. Also Jonas never went into a conversation with anyone about the apple, so nobody knows about what Jonas saw. I hope you are enjoying the book but do you think Jonas stands out from others in his community? Write back please!
Response to Ellie-
From Lianne S
Thanks for responding to my response! I think that Jonas isn't very different from his society just because of his looks and the way he sees certain objects. Although Jonas looks different from his society with his eye color, that doens't mean a lot because others have light eyes. Also the book only mentioned eye color with appearence, others could have different hair, weight, and more. Also just because Jonas' saw the apple differently for a second it doesn't mean he is different in my opinion. It could have been the light catching the apple in a different way, or the sun could have been in his eyes. The community doesn't mention Jonas' looks because it is considered rude, so I believe the community accepts and likes Jonas. If they thought Jonas was too different to fit in, they may have already released him or taken him aside and talked to him. Also Jonas never went into a conversation with anyone about the apple, so nobody knows about what Jonas saw. I hope you are enjoying the book but do you think Jonas stands out from others in his community? Write back please!
To Alex B =]
From Lianne S :)
I think that by sharing yoru feelings it may be a good thing so people can get help if they feel suicidial, or if they are very depressed. That way the family of the person can help the person get help to cure them of their disease. However although it may be good to have people more open I can see how it is unfair to the community members. Some thoughts are more private than others, and you wouldn't want other people to know what goes inside your head. Of course I don't see why you couldn't lie about your feelings because the community can't control how your mind thinks and won't know the difference. Also what if you say a secret when sharing feelings, and it gets out to others because your sibling told other people. I don't know how I would re-act to sharing all of my thoughs. Would you rather share dreams or your feelings? Also do you think that by sharing feelings you can be closer with your family or more os a distance from them? Talk to you soon, and hope that you are enjoying the book!
To Virginia
From Lianne S :)
I also read the book Uglies and I really liked it because it took place in a totally different society from which we are used to. I agree with you when you said that it seems like both societies are controling people, and have the people totally convinced that the aauthorities are good and arne't planning bad things for them. Which society is less controling or secretive towards its community members, and if you could choose what soceity would you rather live in (Tally's or Jonas')? Respond back and enjoy your book!
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