List out some of the rules that are hinted at in Jonas' society. What are your first reactions to these rules?
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jonas has a few rules that i belieive make no sense at all. one rule is that you cannot fly a plane over the community, another rule is that if you break the rules three times you are released(kicked out). i think if you break the rules three times you should go to the jail or punishment center or whatever they have in the communities. also something i pulled out of the reading was that the community can ride bicycles but have no cars, you are also not allowed to make fun of people by saying that they are released. i think that you should be able to just poke fun especially if you do not get the concept of releasing
Gillette G. Some rules that had been hinted at during the 1st chapter were: if you commits 3 transgretions, you are realised. And that there are only 4 people per family; mother, father, sister and brother. Also, your family is picked for you, as is your job. Unskilled workers get night shifts, and those people don't get families or any "normal" things. Everything has rules, apparently. Lily said that the visitors wouldn't follow the rules at her Childcare group.Also planes aren't allowed to fly over their community unless they are dropping off cargo for them. Something imprortant happens in December, apperently, but we have yet to find out what.
Jess M The Giver Some of the rules i hinted on were like when only 1 boy child and only 1 girl child would be allowed in a family. Another one is that when you turn 12 you need to have a special ceremony. My reaction to these rules was that they were pretty strict. Only 2 children is a limit to you if you wanted more. What if you gave birth to more than 2 children at one time? You would have to give some of your children up. I don't know yet what the 12 ceremony is, but Jonas seemed pretty worried about it.
I think that many rules were hinted in chapter 1. One of these many rules were that children(sevens through elevens) are not allowed to be by the river by that airplane. Anouther rule that i believe that was implaied is that only two children were allowed to one family unit, one boy and one girl. Several other rules were implied,such as; you cannot be late to class, if you were you had to make a public apolgy to tyhe class, if you broke the rules three times, that you were released from the "town," or so-called utopia...
The rules in Jonas's community are different to those in the community we know and share. Like one example is that Jonas and Lily don't know what animals are. Whereas some of us have pets, or at least have an idea what a dog or a cat is. This was portrayed in the book by Lily when she was discussing her feelings with her family on page five. Mother said, " Why do you think the visitors didn't obey the rules?" Lily said," I don't know. They acted like...like..." Jonas said, " Animals?" The book explained that the word "animal" was used to describe a person who was uneducated or clumsy. Another rule was that planes couldn't fly over the community. Maybe that was so they couldn't figure out a different way to leave. Another rule was how they could only have one boy and one girl per family. One rule was that there was a ceremony for the Twelves. Plus the children couldn't joke around about being released. Only two reasons for being released were non-behavior related. One reason was that the person was to elderly. Another was something was wrong with the child. Like they didn't sleep peacefully at night. I think the rules they have are kind of unneccesary. Like having only two children per family. It limits the wants in the family. What happens if the mother has two girls or two boys? I think they should educate the children about animals incase they are released. Just so then they aren't curious about the animal, if it's dangerous because they could get hurt.
There are many rules that have been hinted in the first chapter in Jonas' society. If these rules aren't followed, the person will be released from the community. One important rule is that each family consists of only two children, one male and one female. This rule is werid to me because the families might want more children or no children at all. It doesn't give them a choice. Another rule is that every night at dinner, each member of the family must share their "true" feelings for the day. This rule also isn't fair in my opinion because the person may not feel comfortable with sharing their feelings at that time. Another rule is that everyone in the community has a specific job. So far, it seems that Jonas' community is very controled, and it's only the first chapter. Some of these rules I disagree with because it doesn't give people their own choice.
Some rules in Jonas's community are very good and reasonable, but others aren't. One rule that I dissagree with is the family unit rule. I think people should be able to have as many kids as they want, and they don't have to be one girl and one boy. Another rule i don't get at all is no one is aloud to fly over the comunity, because, like the person in the book, someone could get confused and just fly over it on accident. I agree with the no joking around with releasing rule. I agree with it because I don't really know what releasing is, but it sounds very serious and something that shouldn't be joked about. Also, some ceromony takes place when kids turn 12, but we know nothing about it yet, so I have nothing to say about it. All of these rules seem very strict and serious, and they obviously help keep order in the community.
There were many rules in Jonas's society that were hinted at in the first chapter. Some of the rules were if you're late to class you must say a formal apology,and every night after dinner you must share the feelings you had that day with your family. Those rules are small in comparison to some of the other larger rules that govern the society. Two of the bigger rules are that each family can only have two children (1 boy and 1 girl), and if you have three transgressions you are released (kicked out) of the society. So far I think that most of these rules are a little too extreme. When you cause trouble a lot, you should be punished in some other way than getting kicked out. What if you were falsely accused? And only having two children per family makes it so families have less variety. There is another important rule about attending a special ceremony when you turn twelve. It seems that it is something everybody has to go through, and sounds like it's very important. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens...
In the book the giver Jonas's community have a couple of rules. One rule that I found is that they have tell each others feelings every night. I think that this rule is kind of odd, what if you didn't want to share your feelings with your family members. I think they do this to make sure no one is angry and everyone's problems are resolved by talking to one another. Another rule they had was that they can only have two children per family, one a boy the other a girl. This rule reminds me of the book Among the Hidden where only two kids are allowed per family as well. Another rule that is in the book is that if you break the rules more than three times you are released. I want to know what happens to you when you are released. Dose this mean that they have to go out of the community or are they killed? Another rule is that no planes are to fly over the community. Also in the book it said that Jonas could see all of the abounded bikes on the road, this made me wonder if there are cars allowed in this community. So far this community that Joans is living is very controlling and its only the first chapter.
In Jonas's town there are many rules. I think that the rules are controlling and serve no purpose. The citizens of Jonas's town get almost no choice and are completelly controlled. The families are chosen and put into units. Each unit consists of two parents, a sister, and a brother. Each parent is chosen a spouse. The family units also have to share their feeling with each other every night after supper. The town also has many "rituals" There is an open apology ritual if a student is late for his/her class and there is also a releasing ritual for the elderly people. This releasing ritual for the elderly people is considered to be a "celebration for a life well and fully lived." There are also bad releasing rituals. If you break the rules in Jonas's town three times, you are forced to leave or are released. This is considered the worst type of punishment that a citizen could receive. Emma M.
Some rules that are hinted in the first chapter are that they have to share the emotions they had that day after dinner, at dinner lilly says she felt angry because the visiters were not following thee rules but usally they are easy to resolve but jonas has more coplicated feelings he would rather keep to himself, they had to listen to the person on the speaker if they come on, If you are late to school you have to say apublic appoligy to the whole class and the teacher, jonas's best friend does that alot, No airplanes are to come over the community unless they are dropping off supplies and even then they go asround the community, the families are picked for you and you can only have two children one boy and ond girl no more.
In the first chapter of The Giver (by Lois Lowry, the narrator shows the reader several rules that are established in the Community. One such rule is that planes, with the exception of cargo planes, are not allowed to fly over the community. Another rule is that children are to wait their turn when they are at the Recreation center with their Childcare group. Transgretions are responded to with a Realease (if the transgretions occur three times). Also, a family unit can only have two children; a boy and a girl. These rules are made so that the residents of the community are "happy". Sometimes, these rules seem silly, but it is important for the members of the community to follow them or they might get Released.
Allyson K. The Giver In the first chapter some of the rules that are hinted at in Jonas' society are that there is only one boy child and one girl child. My first reaction to this rule was “why would this be a rule?” Another rule that they hinted at was that when every child turns twelve they must so through a specials ceremony. My reaction to the rule is “why would there be a special ceremony when you turn twelve and not thirteen.” This confused me. I am not sure what the ceremony is all about but I know he is worried about the ceremony because he said he was apprehensive about it. Another rule that they hinted at is that pilots can not fly planes over the community. This rule made no sense to me and I now want to know why they can’t fly planes over the community. Some more rules are that if they break any rules three times they get released. This rule kind of made sense but I think there should be a less harsh consequence. Another rule that was hinted at was that they can not drive a car they must ride bikes. This is a good idea because of the amount of pollution cars give off. Some of there rules are weird but if this is how people want to live then no one can stop them.
I think that a lot of the rule they have told the readers about are kind of strange so far. The rule that says they may only have 1 girl child and 1 guy child in each family "unit" reminds me of how China used to be. It makes me think that the families living there are not really free to their own decisions. It's like how Truman from the Truman show has no real personal choices. If a family wants to have like 5 kids, they should be able to. Another rule they have is that they kind of have to reveal their feelings. They cant really keep things bottled up inside. My first reaction to this was that I was having mixed feelings. In some ways it is good to reveal how you are feeling so that people can help you with your problems. But in other ways, people want to keep things to themselves and not share EVERYTHING about themselves. So I dont really know what to think about that one. An example of this was how Jonas probably didnt really want to share that he was nervous about the upcoming Twelves ceremony. Though on his part, he was kind of obligated to talk about it. This was private information and now his parents were involved in his feelings. I would be kind of upset if I was "forced" to talk about everything in life that I was going through. Some of these rules just make me feel that societies are very different than us. also that we have it off pretty good with the life we have.
Jonas' society has some really odd rules. One rule is that you can't fly a plane over a community. I don't know why this could be, unless the rule writer feared the community being bombed. Another rule is that if you commit a crime three times, you will be released. I believe this rule is pretty fair, because it's sort of a substitute to being sent to jail. From the reactions of characters in the book, being released is probably more shameful than being sent to jail. You're not allowed to joke around about being released. It is too serious to be joked about. You can get in big trouble if joke about it. I believe this rule is important. Another rule is you have to wait in line for the slide. This is O.K., however it's very orderly, and kids need to let steam out by running around and racing to be the first one down the slide. Also, family units are only allowed to have one boy and one girl. The child is assigned to them. I don't like this rule because then you couldn't have only girls or only boys. Not to mention you can't have three or more kids.
Tori B. I am reading The Giver by Lois Lowry. The main character is a boy named Jonas. Jonas' socity isn't kike ours. They have different rules and different lives. One rule is that a family unit can have only two childern, a boy and a girl. Anotjer rule is that if you commit a crime or break the rules three times, you are released. Jonas' community has some different customs, too. One example of this is the nightly ritual of telling your feelings. Every night after dinner, the entire family takes turns telling thier feelings and what is going on in thier lives.Another example is the twelves ritual. Something important happens the December of your twelves year. Some of the odd things that the community thinks isn't normal is not obeying the rules, planes are not allowed to fly over the city, and if you can't "prove yourself," you are given a lesser job and fewer things that matter, like a wife and children. This is a basic overview of the first chapter in The Giver.
In the first chapter of The Giver, there have been a few hints about rules in Jonas's society. In the society, citizens must follow the rules or else major punishments will be given to the rule offender. One rule revolves around family units, and it says that each family can have two children (one boy and one girl). In the book while at the dinner table, Lily (Jonas's younger sister) suggested that the family keeps the new baby their father may bring home. In return, Lily's mother told Lily that "she knew the rules" and "one boy and one girl was clearly written in the rules". After reading that, I thought that the society must be very strict, and have a lot of control over people's lives. It must be a very controling feeling for citizens because they don't have a choice of the number of kids in their family. Another rule that has been hinted in the first chapter is you can't keep your feelings to yourself. The book hints that at dinner every night you need to share you feelings with your family, no matter how you feel or if you want to or not. The book said that Jonas would have rather kept his feelings to himself that night, but it was against the rules. Also the book stated that everynight for Jonas's whole life he had to share his feelings along with the rest of his family. I feel bad for Jonas because as you get older you would rather keep some feelings to yourself instead of sharing outloud. I wouldn't like or want to share my feelings out loud because some feelings are more private and personal than others. I think Jonas should have the option of sharing certain feelings or if he can skip his turn. In the book The Giver, there have been some rules hinted in the first chapter.
♥~Bryce~♥ In the community or 12-year-old Jonas, there are many strange rules that I do not agree with. One rule is that if someone does 3 transgressions, they are released (kicked out of the community). Another rule regards the family living. Families are not allowed to have more than one mother, one father, on daughter, and one son. People that are pilots are not allowed to fly over the community and when one person accidentally did, they were released. Also, it doesn't mater whether someone is teasing or not, you can not use the word, released, in a joking or kidding term. Children are raised by Nurturers which are people who raise the babies until they are added into their own family unit. Another rule they have is that if you are late for a class in the school, you must explain the reason you are late, make a formal apology, and use correct terms for your feelings.
There are many rules in Jonas's society so far. No one is aloud to fly their plane over the society. If you do fly your plane, you may be released. The children are not aloud to mess around about being released and if they do they could get in big trouble. If you are late to class you have to recite an apology to the class and then the class and the instructor have to accept your apology. Every night after dinner the family has like a family meeting where they talk about their feelings. Everyone is required to share their feelings and your family is there to help you feel better and console you. The little kids have rules about the playground at the childcare group after school. There are Nurtures that are required to take care of newborns after they are born (they are basically like nurses in a hospital). There are only two children aloud in each "family unit" (one male and one female). If you commit a crime or break a rule in the community three times, you have to be released. All children are a something depending on their age. For example, if they are eleven they are called "a eleven", or if the child is seven they are called "a seven". My first reaction to these rules are that some of them are very strict. For example, you are only aloud to have one daughter and one son in your household or you can not break a rule more than three times. These rules just sound riduculous and I do not see why they need these rules. There are also a few rules that are just common sense that every community has. For example, the rules the little kis have for the playground at the childcare. Most people follow these rules or are taught these rules and they are not really considered "rules".
Tori B. Some reactions I have to the first chapter of The Giver is a little confused and amazed at how their society can be so different from ours. They have so many rules and guidelines, how can you follow them all without breaking a different one? And I am confused because it doesn't really explain what the ceremony is or what happens. However, I think that it will all make more sense in chapter two.
From Mrs. Meyers A lot of you have noticed that there are a lot of rules in this society, and some of them seem kind of crazy. Think about what we have learned about utopias and why they are created, and see if you can figure out why some of these rules were created. What problems would they solve? For instance, why would there be no planes over the community? What must the world have been like before these rules? Try to cover as many of the rules as you can in your answer.
The reason why they have such rules is so that the people won't wonder what's outside their community. So they the people think that the whole world is like their community.The "founders" of the community wanted everyone to have a perfect family, perefect house and everthing. So the only way to have that is to make everone's famimly, house and life the same.that's the only way they think they can create a utopia.
Jonas's town is like a utopia. Each rule is meant to solve a problem. When each family is allowed to only have two children (one boy and one girl) they might be trying to create the perfect steriotypical family and prevent overpopulation. Planes are also not allowed to fly over the community because the elders might not want their citizens to get an idea that there might be a world out there that is better than their world. They want people to think that their world is the only right way to live and uptain ultomite peace and happiness. There are also many rituals that the people of Jonas's town must fallow. These rituals could just be another way of keeping people in check and better controlling their lives. Emma M.
The rules in Jonas's community will solve many problems. For example, the family unit rule will prevent the issue of over populating. Though this rule is extremely strict and over controling, it contribute to making the community a utopia. Also, I think the purpose of the no planes can fly over the community rule is probably to try to create an eco-friendly society with no vehicles that can polute the society. Or, maybe they just want to keep the people from knowing about things in the real world, for example, planes. Another rule is that the elders choose a name and job for the people, so that eliminates the stress of choosing something so important. But on the negative side, people can't really be what they want to be. The world without these rules was probably just like the world we live in today, with all of it's flaws, for example, crime, murder, violence, polution and any other problem. Because of these rules, Jonas's community is almost like a utopia.
The rules in Jona's society seem like they are trying to create a utopia. The rules were created to solve many problems, one of them being over population. Giving each family only two children makes sure that each family can support thier children, and that there are not too many people in the community. Another problem that is solved is the issue of terrorists. Not allowing planes to fly over the community keeps the people safe from bombings. Releasing people from the community also solves this problem. It kicks out those that are endarngering the well-being of the people who live there. A third problem that is solved is the issue of etiquite. When you are forced to say a formal apology to the class when you're late for school, you're more likely to be on time in the future. Sharing your feelings at dinner let's you express concern or anger without hurting people or their feelings. Before all these rules were created, I think that Jonas's world was one of constant war, violence, and fear. These rules were put in place to try and correct that, even if they are a little extreme. - Ashley S. =]
There is a reason for all of these crazy rules in Jonas' community. For how many children you can have in your family unit, one male and one female, I believe this is to prevent overpopulating and to make sure that all the families are the same and not out of the community's control. The reason behind not having planes fly over the community is prevent them from knowing alot about the other communities outside of the specific one. Also, how everyone has to have a job, I believe this is so that the community will run smoothly and organized. Overall, the rules is Jonas' community are used to control the people and to prevent them from thinking for themselves. The world before must have let people choose for themselves and probably led to a bad situation, so now they want to control the people.
In the book the giver there are many rules. I think they have so many of these rules so they can create a utopia. The Rule about only driving a bicycle was created to have fewer accidents that may cause death. They may have made the rule about this to lessen environmental pollution. Another rule that was created was sharing each others feelings with one another. I think that this was created to let people get there feelings out in a safe way. This reminds me of twin oaks and how when people have conflicts there try to resolve it by holding a meeting. The rule about the family unit only have two parents and two kids try to prevent over population and to try to prevent people going out to see the other communities around them. The rule about the planes not being able to go over the community was made so the people in the community wouldn’t know about the other societies around them. I think that before these rules were created there was havoc all around, so they tried to make a perfect society by controlling the living environment around them.
A lot of the rules seemed completely wrong. I think that it couldn't be a utopia because a world based on lies is not perfect behavior. You can't fly planes over the society because there is no place to get out of the place. These rules were probaly made to keep a safe environment and peaceful lifestyle. Having one boy and one girl per family is possibly a rule because you want to be equal like everyone else. I think these laws are not civil but in order to keep a lie a lot must be sacrificed to keep a great world. They possibly don't know what animal means because animals ruin most of our houses and they can't have that in a perfect society. Releasing a new child or an old person was a ule because they get in the way of peoples lifestyles. When you break a law three times is like baseball, three strikes your out because when you break a law more than two times then you know they will do it again.
The rules of Jonas' society do seem crazy. It seems that this is a utopia but a utopia centered around rules. Jonas' society also seems to have a lack of free will, this doesn't seem like a bad thing though because the emotions described so far are ones that would be felt in our society. This means that not all aspects are being controlled. I think some of these rules were created for the communitys welfare. The rule about the planes might have been created to lower the amount of noise that is around the community. The way that everyone has bikes might be also for the noise issue or it might be for decreasing the amount of pollutants. Another reason that bikes might be used is for fitness, the bikes could be a way to ensure everyone gets exercise. The spousal and family rules are the ones that don't make sense, each person is given a spouse not because of love but because of how well they would interact. This rule makes it seem the creaters of the society were afraid that love might destroy it.The rule that each family can only have two children one male and one female makes a little sense. I think this rule was created to ensure that one gender was not more common than the other.
To: Jess M From: Sydney J I hinted on the same two rules, and I totaly agree with you. I really don't think it's fair for people to have only two kids, one boy and one girl, because people could want twin girls for example. Also, I don't find it right that people get kids assigned to them.
There were many rules hinted in the first chapter. You could only have one boy and one girl per family. My first reaction to this rule was that it was that it didn't make sense. What if you had twin girls or just two boys coming out at different times? Another rule was that if you broke any of the rules in the society three times you get kicked out. I thought that, that rule made more sense. When you break the rules you should understand what you did was wrong the first time but if you break the rules consistantly then then it's obvious that you are going to break them again so what iis the point of you being there? You can't drive a plane over the society, unless you are dropping off cargo for them was another rule. I think that the rule is kind of recognizable because you might damage the society if there is a plane crash. I think that some of the rules were smart but others made no sense.
Jess M The Giver An example of why these rules were created is because if a plane flew over their town, it could drop bombs on the towns people. They use a system where the children are seperated into groups by age because if the children were not, there would probally be issues with bullying and playing with eachother. The families can probally only have 2 children because the other families would want some children too. If pets were allowed, then if a plane flew over the town the pets owners wouldnt have time to find their pet and get them inside safely. Without these rules there would be lots of trajedies and the town would be very unorganized and chaotic.
I think that some of the rules are kinda unnecessary, i think that if a plane flies over the community by accident the pilot should not be released he should just be punished by his boss or something like that. I also think that the three time offense rule could just be eliminated and they should stay in jail in order to learn the lesson and not get three chances, they wont learn their lesson by getting warnings. the last rule i believe unnecessary is that the snacks cannot be taken from the recreation center, if a kid is hungry he shoud be allowed to take home a snack. those are my thoughts on the rules.
I think that they have so many rules is to protect the people, and give them perfect lives. The restricted flying space for pilots would prevent the citizens from being disstracted, and prevent people from entering, or leaving. before these rules were installed, the world was probobly chaotic. If you break any of the rules 3 times, you get released. I think they have that rule because if the people disobey the laws of their town, they have no right to live there, just as we throw our transgressors into a jail. I think peoples jobs get chosen for them because then everyone has a job for life, so they can be laid off. And, so they can provide for their families. Each family is allowed to have 2 children because that would cut down on population problems and getting sufficient food for each family. The telling feelings isn't exactly a rule, but a ritual. It's uselful for controlling peoples feelings, having them admit how they feel, then changing their mind by providing a logical reason to change their opinions. But even though they have restrictions, they still live well. All those rules must have some sort of purpose, otherwise they wouldn't be rules.
One reason why there are no planes allowed is because it reveals a way to get out of the community. Plus that's how they get supplies and they don't want citizens to retrieve the items in the plane so they can get extra things for their family unit. Another rule explanation is for the one boy one girl per family. It's so that they can control how many people is in the community. Not to mention, no one will be alone or abandoned. Another rule is "Feeling Time" with their family. I understand that they might feel better when they release their thoughts; but sometimes people don't like to discuss their feelings with other people. One other rule is that they have ceremonies for "birthdays". It's unneccesary for the children because they could be older than the ceremony states they are, take for example if the child was born on January 1st. ~Megan M.
Many rules are made so the city would be the best it could be... in the Creators eyes.Another rule that I think helps with the idea of a utopia is that no family with more than 2 children, I believe that this is because that way the town is not overpopulated. There are many rules,but I believe that the most important one is "The Ceremony of Twelve." I believe that this is the most important rule because everyone has to have it and it basically determaines your whole life , what you are in society, and what your Assignment is, which may make you happy or depressed, depending on what you want to be. I believe that the world is just like ours before this world was created. I think there was choice and everyone makes mistakes, but not in the way they are in this world. In our world everything is...well, human, and this "town" is not. Though the rules may solve many problems, like the 2 children per family, it will also start some, my prediction is that in this town some one will rebell and the whole conspiracy will be unraveled.
Tori B. I think that some of these rules were created to make sure that the citizens knew as little about the outside world as possibe so they don't questiona as much and are willing to obey the rules. We learned that utopias are perfect societys and some of these rules help to make their society perfect. The people in the book don;t think their rules are wierd because this is what they are presented with and they take it to face value. For example, the rule about no planes flying over the community is so that the people in the community aren't accustomed to seeing planes and if they do, they are supposed to be afraid. I think this fear is like the one in The Truman Show. Truman is taught to fear planes so he can't use them to leave and he is contained.
We learned that for a utopia to be perfect, people must be controlled. In cotreversy to that, if people are controlled how can it be a utopia?
I believe that the rule about the plane comes from protecting communities from being bombed. Also, if a plane crashes it wouldn't be over a community, and wouldn't hit anyone in the the community.
The rule about being released after three offences makes sense to me. No utopia can exist with trouble makers who commit crimes, so obviously, they would want to rid the town of that sort of person.
The rule about the the bike, though awful, makes some sense. At nine years old you are physically stronger than when you're younger. This could help you ride your bike better.
I think the rule about not having more than two kids is to control population. Overpopulation would result in too many people, which would result in people not having houses. A perfect society wouldn't have homeless people.
I think the reason that the city created the rules was because it would create a Utopia. With rules they can control what happenes so eveything stays simple, safe and easy.
I think the rule that you can ride your bike only if your nine or older is because at nine you are more stable and have a less chance of falling off. Therefore it would create less injuries.
I also thinf the purpose of the rule that you can only have two kids is that if you have a smaller amount or kids to take care of, it costs less. It would also make sure the population doesnt grow too much or too little.
I belive that people dont want planes flying over the village because it might give people ideas, of leaving the community or bringing foriegners in.
The world without these rules probably was a bit more crazy. With no guid lines it tempts people to try new things out that either are not safe or would get themselves into trouble. thats why rules regulate people so there are limits on what people can and cant do.
♥~Bryce~♥ The rules in Jonas's community may sound strang but they must serve some purpose otherwise they wouldn't exist. The rule that states non-cargo planes are not allowed to fly over the community is probably existant because they are afraid that the citizens would want to get on a plane and leave their community while encouraging others to fallow. The reason they limit the family units to on emother, one father, one daughter, and one son is to prevent over populating and it could also be to prevent a large family to protest the rules and the family being large enough to convince relitaves and friends of the same. The rule that says you have to be a certain age before getting your own bike is to protect the younger children from hurting themselves and others. The rule that states once child reaches a certain age, their stuffed animal is to be taken away from them is to keep the children acting like little kids for too long.
A utopia is a perfect society. These rules in Jonas's spciety are created to maintain a utopia as much as possible. If families have more than two kids, then they might become poor or out of control, which would disrupt the society, which would not be a utopia. When you are twelve you are recive an assigment that you have to commit to for the rest of your life. This rule helps the community have more workers and more products to help the community running. It may also create less crimes because kids will be occupied and more likely to get in less trouble. If you commit a crime or break a rule more than 3 times you are released. This creates less problems in the society, which gets this community closer to a utopia. These rules solve a lot of problems and keep the community running in an orderly fashion. If the world did not have rules, the world would be out of control, crazy, and it would be a world that no one would not want to live in. There has to be some rules in this world or to many bad things will happen. If to many bad things happen, a lot of people will be dead and we may not even have a world anymore.
While reading farther into the book The Giver, I relize that although some rules may seem a little controling, they have purposes and reasons. One rule that is in Jonas' community is each family unit will have one male and one female child. I think this rule was made to control the amount of people in the community and so over-population doesn't become an issue for the future. By having two kids, the population in Jonas' community will for the most part not change or vary as the years go on. That could be good for the society because natural resources will always be used at the same rate, it will be harder to run out of food, and you won't need to make more houses for more people. Another rule that is in Jonas' community is having a job assigned to you without your opinion about the job, when you turn into "a twelve". I think the reason for beig assigned a job instead of going to school and picking out your job like we do in our community is to have a controlled community. Also with each person not having the opinion on their job, there would never be un-employment for certain jobs that people don't want to do or un-popular jobs in the community. With everyone having an assigned job, the commuity could run smoother instead of everyone wanting one job or not performing their job right. The last rule in Jonas' community is having to share your feelings with your family at dinner everynight. In our present day community many people openly share their feelings with others leading them to keep most of their emotions bottled up. Whether their feelings positive or negative (like angry, sad, mad, ect.) people can begin having negative thoughts or habits. After people may go crazy, but in Jonas' society people can get help after their issue. Due to that not as much crime may happen, or people may be happier in the long run. Although Jonas' society may seem a little different because of their many rules, the rules in the long run help and benefit the community and its members.
There are many rules that were created in the book, The Giver just as there were in the Utopias we studied. I think thses rules were created in The Giver so that there could be some oerder and conduct. Just like any place in the world, without rules there isnt a lot of order and cooperation. In the book, you have to get assigned a job when you turn twelve years old. I think that this rule was created to make sure their society starts running with more control and making sure jobs have enough workers. I also think that getting a job at twelve can help with maturity and growing up. So that you can grow up and be respectful and responsible and are able to help out your society. Another rule there was, was that when a child is "born for you" they get named by a naming list, not by the parents recieving the child. Personally, I dont think that this rule is necessary. Though it could benefit you and your society in some ways. It could help you with "variety" and making sure that everyone is different I guess. So that, maybe on a weirder level, when people visit or come to their town they can make sure no two people have the same name. Another rule they have is that you have to share your feelings. This could definitely have its benefits. Take for example that someobdy might be feeling suicidal, you could help them by them getting their feelings out about why they might do that. By having people share their feelings, you could potentially save a life. I think the world before having these rules must have been pretty disorderely and maybe boring. With these rules muchthings ca be protected and maybe more people can end up living their life with not a lot of regrets. these rules are important to thier society, but probably would ruin ours.
In the first chapter of the Giver (by Lois Lowry), the narrator shows the reader several rules that are established in the Community. One such rule is that planes, with the exception of cargo planes, are not allowed to fly over the community. My reaction to this rule is that is only slightly unreasonable. The leaders of the community must be considering the risk of an air raid. Another rule is that children are to wait their turn at the Recreation centre with their Childcare group. This also makes sense as a rule. It’s common courtesy to wait your turn. Also, a family unit can only have two children; a boy and a girl. This doesn’t make sense. Perhaps it is so that every family can be equal, but it seems silly for such a rule to exist. These rules are made so that the residents of the community are “happy”. Sometimes, though, these rules are silly.
Jonas' society appears to be based on rules, some of these rules make sence while others seem extremely bizarre. One rule that is hinted at is that planes are not allowed to fly over the community. Another rule is that every family can only have two children, one male and one female. My first reactions to these rules are that the society is very orderly and controlled.
45 comments:
Zach.P
jonas has a few rules that i belieive make no sense at all. one rule is that you cannot fly a plane over the community, another rule is that if you break the rules three times you are released(kicked out). i think if you break the rules three times you should go to the jail or punishment center or whatever they have in the communities. also something i pulled out of the reading was that the community can ride bicycles but have no cars, you are also not allowed to make fun of people by saying that they are released. i think that you should be able to just poke fun especially if you do not get the concept of releasing
Gillette G.
Some rules that had been hinted at during the 1st chapter were: if you commits 3 transgretions, you are realised. And that there are only 4 people per family; mother, father, sister and brother. Also, your family is picked for you, as is your job. Unskilled workers get night shifts, and those people don't get families or any "normal" things. Everything has rules, apparently. Lily said that the visitors wouldn't follow the rules at her Childcare group.Also planes aren't allowed to fly over their community unless they are dropping off cargo for them. Something imprortant happens in December, apperently, but we have yet to find out what.
Jess M
The Giver
Some of the rules i hinted on were like when only 1 boy child and only 1 girl child would be allowed in a family. Another one is that when you turn 12 you need to have a special ceremony. My reaction to these rules was that they were pretty strict. Only 2 children is a limit to you if you wanted more. What if you gave birth to more than 2 children at one time? You would have to give some of your children up. I don't know yet what the 12 ceremony is, but Jonas seemed pretty worried about it.
I think that many rules were hinted in chapter 1. One of these many rules were that children(sevens through elevens) are not allowed to be by the river by that airplane. Anouther rule that i believe that was implaied is that only two children were allowed to one family unit, one boy and one girl. Several other rules were implied,such as; you cannot be late to class, if you were you had to make a public apolgy to tyhe class, if you broke the rules three times, that you were released from the "town," or so-called utopia...
-B. Carroll
The rules in Jonas's community are different to those in the community we know and share. Like one example is that Jonas and Lily don't know what animals are. Whereas some of us have pets, or at least have an idea what a dog or a cat is. This was portrayed in the book by Lily when she was discussing her feelings with her family on page five.
Mother said, " Why do you think the visitors didn't obey the rules?"
Lily said," I don't know. They acted like...like..."
Jonas said, " Animals?"
The book explained that the word "animal" was used to describe a person who was uneducated or clumsy. Another rule was that planes couldn't fly over the community. Maybe that was so they couldn't figure out a different way to leave. Another rule was how they could only have one boy and one girl per family. One rule was that there was a ceremony for the Twelves. Plus the children couldn't joke around about being released. Only two reasons for being released were non-behavior related. One reason was that the person was to elderly. Another was something was wrong with the child. Like they didn't sleep peacefully at night.
I think the rules they have are kind of unneccesary. Like having only two children per family. It limits the wants in the family. What happens if the mother has two girls or two boys? I think they should educate the children about animals incase they are released. Just so then they aren't curious about the animal, if it's dangerous because they could get hurt.
~ Megan M.
There are many rules that have been hinted in the first chapter in Jonas' society. If these rules aren't followed, the person will be released from the community. One important rule is that each family consists of only two children, one male and one female. This rule is werid to me because the families might want more children or no children at all. It doesn't give them a choice. Another rule is that every night at dinner, each member of the family must share their "true" feelings for the day. This rule also isn't fair in my opinion because the person may not feel comfortable with sharing their feelings at that time. Another rule is that everyone in the community has a specific job. So far, it seems that Jonas' community is very controled, and it's only the first chapter. Some of these rules I disagree with because it doesn't give people their own choice.
- Ellie G.
Sydney J.
Some rules in Jonas's community are very good and reasonable, but others aren't. One rule that I dissagree with is the family unit rule. I think people should be able to have as many kids as they want, and they don't have to be one girl and one boy. Another rule i don't get at all is no one is aloud to fly over the comunity, because, like the person in the book, someone could get confused and just fly over it on accident. I agree with the no joking around with releasing rule. I agree with it because I don't really know what releasing is, but it sounds very serious and something that shouldn't be joked about. Also, some ceromony takes place when kids turn 12, but we know nothing about it yet, so I have nothing to say about it. All of these rules seem very strict and serious, and they obviously help keep order in the community.
There were many rules in Jonas's society that were hinted at in the first chapter. Some of the rules were if you're late to class you must say a formal apology,and every night after dinner you must share the feelings you had that day with your family. Those rules are small in comparison to some of the other larger rules that govern the society. Two of the bigger rules are that each family can only have two children (1 boy and 1 girl), and if you have three transgressions you are released (kicked out) of the society. So far I think that most of these rules are a little too extreme. When you cause trouble a lot, you should be punished in some other way than getting kicked out. What if you were falsely accused? And only having two children per family makes it so families have less variety. There is another important rule about attending a special ceremony when you turn twelve. It seems that it is something everybody has to go through, and sounds like it's very important. I guess we'll just have to wait and see what happens...
- Ashley S. =]
Carly.R
In the book the giver Jonas's community have a couple of rules. One rule that I found is that they have tell each others feelings every night. I think that this rule is kind of odd, what if you didn't want to share your feelings with your family members. I think they do this to make sure no one is angry and everyone's problems are resolved by talking to one another. Another rule they had was that they can only have two children per family, one a boy the other a girl. This rule reminds me of the book Among the Hidden where only two kids are allowed per family as well. Another rule that is in the book is that if you break the rules more than three times you are released. I want to know what happens to you when you are released. Dose this mean that they have to go out of the community or are they killed? Another rule is that no planes are to fly over the community. Also in the book it said that Jonas could see all of the abounded bikes on the road, this made me wonder if there are cars allowed in this community. So far this community that Joans is living is very controlling and its only the first chapter.
In Jonas's town there are many rules. I think that the rules are controlling and serve no purpose.
The citizens of Jonas's town get almost no choice and are completelly controlled. The families are chosen and put into units. Each unit consists of two parents, a sister, and a brother. Each parent is chosen a spouse. The family units also have to share their feeling with each other every night after supper. The town also has many "rituals" There is an open apology ritual if a student is late for his/her class and there is also a releasing ritual for the elderly people. This releasing ritual for the elderly people is considered to be a "celebration for a life well and fully lived." There are also bad releasing rituals. If you break the rules in Jonas's town three times, you are forced to leave or are released. This is considered the worst type of punishment that a citizen could receive.
Emma M.
Some rules that are hinted in the first chapter are that they have to share the emotions they had that day after dinner, at dinner lilly says she felt angry because the visiters were not following thee rules but usally they are easy to resolve but jonas has more coplicated feelings he would rather keep to himself, they had to listen to the person on the speaker if they come on, If you are late to school you have to say apublic appoligy to the whole class and the teacher, jonas's best friend does that alot, No airplanes are to come over the community unless they are dropping off supplies and even then they go asround the community, the families are picked for you and you can only have two children one boy and ond girl no more.
In the first chapter of The Giver (by Lois Lowry, the narrator shows the reader several rules that are established in the Community. One such rule is that planes, with the exception of cargo planes, are not allowed to fly over the community. Another rule is that children are to wait their turn when they are at the Recreation center with their Childcare group. Transgretions are responded to with a Realease (if the transgretions occur three times). Also, a family unit can only have two children; a boy and a girl. These rules are made so that the residents of the community are "happy". Sometimes, these rules seem silly, but it is important for the members of the community to follow them or they might get Released.
--Lydia J.
Allyson K.
The Giver
In the first chapter some of the rules that are hinted at in Jonas' society are that there is only one boy child and one girl child. My first reaction to this rule was “why would this be a rule?” Another rule that they hinted at was that when every child turns twelve they must so through a specials ceremony. My reaction to the rule is “why would there be a special ceremony when you turn twelve and not thirteen.” This confused me. I am not sure what the ceremony is all about but I know he is worried about the ceremony because he said he was apprehensive about it. Another rule that they hinted at is that pilots can not fly planes over the community. This rule made no sense to me and I now want to know why they can’t fly planes over the community. Some more rules are that if they break any rules three times they get released. This rule kind of made sense but I think there should be a less harsh consequence. Another rule that was hinted at was that they can not drive a car they must ride bikes. This is a good idea because of the amount of pollution cars give off. Some of there rules are weird but if this is how people want to live then no one can stop them.
Alex B.
I think that a lot of the rule they have told the readers about are kind of strange so far. The rule that says they may only have 1 girl child and 1 guy child in each family "unit" reminds me of how China used to be. It makes me think that the families living there are not really free to their own decisions. It's like how Truman from the Truman show has no real personal choices. If a family wants to have like 5 kids, they should be able to. Another rule they have is that they kind of have to reveal their feelings. They cant really keep things bottled up inside. My first reaction to this was that I was having mixed feelings. In some ways it is good to reveal how you are feeling so that people can help you with your problems. But in other ways, people want to keep things to themselves and not share EVERYTHING about themselves. So I dont really know what to think about that one. An example of this was how Jonas probably didnt really want to share that he was nervous about the upcoming Twelves ceremony. Though on his part, he was kind of obligated to talk about it. This was private information and now his parents were involved in his feelings. I would be kind of upset if I was "forced" to talk about everything in life that I was going through. Some of these rules just make me feel that societies are very different than us. also that we have it off pretty good with the life we have.
Elena Q
Jonas' society has some really odd rules. One rule is that you can't fly a plane over a community. I don't know why this could be, unless the rule writer feared the community being bombed.
Another rule is that if you commit a crime three times, you will be released. I believe this rule is pretty fair, because it's sort of a substitute to being sent to jail. From the reactions of characters in the book, being released is probably more shameful than being sent to jail.
You're not allowed to joke around about being released. It is too serious to be joked about. You can get in big trouble if joke about it. I believe this rule is important.
Another rule is you have to wait in line for the slide. This is O.K., however it's very orderly, and kids need to let steam out by running around and racing to be the first one down the slide.
Also, family units are only allowed to have one boy and one girl. The child is assigned to them. I don't like this rule because then you couldn't have only girls or only boys. Not to mention you can't have three or more kids.
Tori B.
I am reading The Giver by Lois Lowry. The main character is a boy named Jonas. Jonas' socity isn't kike ours. They have different rules and different lives. One rule is that a family unit can have only two childern, a boy and a girl. Anotjer rule is that if you commit a crime or break the rules three times, you are released. Jonas' community has some different customs, too. One example of this is the nightly ritual of telling your feelings. Every night after dinner, the entire family takes turns telling thier feelings and what is going on in thier lives.Another example is the twelves ritual. Something important happens the December of your twelves year. Some of the odd things that the community thinks isn't normal is not obeying the rules, planes are not allowed to fly over the city, and if you can't "prove yourself," you are given a lesser job and fewer things that matter, like a wife and children. This is a basic overview of the first chapter in The Giver.
Lianne S.
In the first chapter of The Giver, there have been a few hints about rules in Jonas's society. In the society, citizens must follow the rules or else major punishments will be given to the rule offender. One rule revolves around family units, and it says that each family can have two children (one boy and one girl). In the book while at the dinner table, Lily (Jonas's younger sister) suggested that the family keeps the new baby their father may bring home. In return, Lily's mother told Lily that "she knew the rules" and "one boy and one girl was clearly written in the rules". After reading that, I thought that the society must be very strict, and have a lot of control over people's lives. It must be a very controling feeling for citizens because they don't have a choice of the number of kids in their family. Another rule that has been hinted in the first chapter is you can't keep your feelings to yourself. The book hints that at dinner every night you need to share you feelings with your family, no matter how you feel or if you want to or not. The book said that Jonas would have rather kept his feelings to himself that night, but it was against the rules. Also the book stated that everynight for Jonas's whole life he had to share his feelings along with the rest of his family. I feel bad for Jonas because as you get older you would rather keep some feelings to yourself instead of sharing outloud. I wouldn't like or want to share my feelings out loud because some feelings are more private and personal than others. I think Jonas should have the option of sharing certain feelings or if he can skip his turn. In the book The Giver, there have been some rules hinted in the first chapter.
♥~Bryce~♥
In the community or 12-year-old Jonas, there are many strange rules that I do not agree with.
One rule is that if someone does 3 transgressions, they are released (kicked out of the community).
Another rule regards the family living. Families are not allowed to have more than one mother, one father, on daughter, and one son. People that are pilots are not allowed to fly over the community and when one person accidentally did, they were released. Also, it doesn't mater whether someone is teasing or not, you can not use the word, released, in a joking or kidding term. Children are raised by Nurturers which are people who raise the babies until they are added into their own family unit. Another rule they have is that if you are late for a class in the school, you must explain the reason you are late, make a formal apology, and use correct terms for your feelings.
Hannah C.
There are many rules in Jonas's society so far. No one is aloud to fly their plane over the society. If you do fly your plane, you may be released. The children are not aloud to mess around about being released and if they do they could get in big trouble. If you are late to class you have to recite an apology to the class and then the class and the instructor have to accept your apology. Every night after dinner the family has like a family meeting where they talk about their feelings. Everyone is required to share their feelings and your family is there to help you feel better and console you. The little kids have rules about the playground at the childcare group after school. There are Nurtures that are required to take care of newborns after they are born (they are basically like nurses in a hospital). There are only two children aloud in each "family unit" (one male and one female). If you commit a crime or break a rule in the community three times, you have to be released. All children are a something depending on their age. For example, if they are eleven they are called "a eleven", or if the child is seven they are called "a seven".
My first reaction to these rules are that some of them are very strict. For example, you are only aloud to have one daughter and one son in your household or you can not break a rule more than three times. These rules just sound riduculous and I do not see why they need these rules. There are also a few rules that are just common sense that every community has. For example, the rules the little kis have for the playground at the childcare. Most people follow these rules or are taught these rules and they are not really considered "rules".
Tori B.
Some reactions I have to the first chapter of The Giver is a little confused and amazed at how their society can be so different from ours. They have so many rules and guidelines, how can you follow them all without breaking a different one? And I am confused because it doesn't really explain what the ceremony is or what happens. However, I think that it will all make more sense in chapter two.
From Mrs. Meyers
A lot of you have noticed that there are a lot of rules in this society, and some of them seem kind of crazy. Think about what we have learned about utopias and why they are created, and see if you can figure out why some of these rules were created. What problems would they solve? For instance, why would there be no planes over the community? What must the world have been like before these rules? Try to cover as many of the rules as you can in your answer.
Caitlen B.
The reason why they have such rules is so that the people won't wonder what's outside their community. So they the people think that the whole world is like their community.The "founders" of the community wanted everyone to have a perfect family, perefect house and everthing. So the only way to have that is to make everone's famimly, house and life the same.that's the only way they think they can create a utopia.
Jonas's town is like a utopia. Each rule is meant to solve a problem. When each family is allowed to only have two children (one boy and one girl) they might be trying to create the perfect steriotypical family and prevent overpopulation. Planes are also not allowed to fly over the community because the elders might not want their citizens to get an idea that there might be a world out there that is better than their world. They want people to think that their world is the only right way to live and uptain ultomite peace and happiness. There are also many rituals that the people of Jonas's town must fallow. These rituals could just be another way of keeping people in check and better controlling their lives.
Emma M.
Sydney J.
The rules in Jonas's community will solve many problems. For example, the family unit rule will prevent the issue of over populating. Though this rule is extremely strict and over controling, it contribute to making the community a utopia. Also, I think the purpose of the no planes can fly over the community rule is probably to try to create an eco-friendly society with no vehicles that can polute the society. Or, maybe they just want to keep the people from knowing about things in the real world, for example, planes. Another rule is that the elders choose a name and job for the people, so that eliminates the stress of choosing something so important. But on the negative side, people can't really be what they want to be. The world without these rules was probably just like the world we live in today, with all of it's flaws, for example, crime, murder, violence, polution and any other problem. Because of these rules, Jonas's community is almost like a utopia.
The rules in Jona's society seem like they are trying to create a utopia. The rules were created to solve many problems, one of them being over population. Giving each family only two children makes sure that each family can support thier children, and that there are not too many people in the community. Another problem that is solved is the issue of terrorists. Not allowing planes to fly over the community keeps the people safe from bombings. Releasing people from the community also solves this problem. It kicks out those that are endarngering the well-being of the people who live there. A third problem that is solved is the issue of etiquite. When you are forced to say a formal apology to the class when you're late for school, you're more likely to be on time in the future. Sharing your feelings at dinner let's you express concern or anger without hurting people or their feelings. Before all these rules were created, I think that Jonas's world was one of constant war, violence, and fear. These rules were put in place to try and correct that, even if they are a little extreme.
- Ashley S. =]
There is a reason for all of these crazy rules in Jonas' community. For how many children you can have in your family unit, one male and one female, I believe this is to prevent overpopulating and to make sure that all the families are the same and not out of the community's control. The reason behind not having planes fly over the community is prevent them from knowing alot about the other communities outside of the specific one. Also, how everyone has to have a job, I believe this is so that the community will run smoothly and organized. Overall, the rules is Jonas' community are used to control the people and to prevent them from thinking for themselves. The world before must have let people choose for themselves and probably led to a bad situation, so now they want to control the people.
- Ellie G.
Carly.R
In the book the giver there are many rules. I think they have so many of these rules so they can create a utopia. The Rule about only driving a bicycle was created to have fewer accidents that may cause death. They may have made the rule about this to lessen environmental pollution. Another rule that was created was sharing each others feelings with one another. I think that this was created to let people get there feelings out in a safe way. This reminds me of twin oaks and how when people have conflicts there try to resolve it by holding a meeting. The rule about the family unit only have two parents and two kids try to prevent over population and to try to prevent people going out to see the other communities around them. The rule about the planes not being able to go over the community was made so the people in the community wouldn’t know about the other societies around them. I think that before these rules were created there was havoc all around, so they tried to make a perfect society by controlling the living environment around them.
Joe G
A lot of the rules seemed completely wrong. I think that it couldn't be a utopia because a world based on lies is not perfect behavior. You can't fly planes over the society because there is no place to get out of the place. These rules were probaly made to keep a safe environment and peaceful lifestyle. Having one boy and one girl per family is possibly a rule because you want to be equal like everyone else.
I think these laws are not civil but in order to keep a lie a lot must be sacrificed to keep a great world. They possibly don't know what animal means because animals ruin most of our houses and they can't have that in a perfect society. Releasing a new child or an old person was a ule because they get in the way of peoples lifestyles. When you break a law three times is like baseball, three strikes your out because when you break a law more than two times then you know they will do it again.
Cody S.
The rules of Jonas' society do seem crazy. It seems that this is a utopia but a utopia centered around rules. Jonas' society also seems to have a lack of free will, this doesn't seem like a bad thing though because the emotions described so far are ones that would be felt in our society. This means that not all aspects are being controlled.
I think some of these rules were created for the communitys welfare. The rule about the planes might have been created to lower the amount of noise that is around the community. The way that everyone has bikes might be also for the noise issue or it might be for decreasing the amount of pollutants. Another reason that bikes might be used is for fitness, the bikes could be a way to ensure everyone gets exercise. The spousal and family rules are the ones that don't make sense, each person is given a spouse not because of love but because of how well they would interact. This rule makes it seem the creaters of the society were afraid that love might destroy it.The rule that each family can only have two children one male and one female makes a little sense. I think this rule was created to ensure that one gender was not more common than the other.
To: Jess M
From: Sydney J
I hinted on the same two rules, and I totaly agree with you. I really don't think it's fair for people to have only two kids, one boy and one girl, because people could want twin girls for example. Also, I don't find it right that people get kids assigned to them.
Joe G
There were many rules hinted in the first chapter. You could only have one boy and one girl per family. My first reaction to this rule was that it was that it didn't make sense. What if you had twin girls or just two boys coming out at different times? Another rule was that if you broke any of the rules in the society three times you get kicked out. I thought that, that rule made more sense. When you break the rules you should understand what you did was wrong the first time but if you break the rules consistantly then then it's obvious that you are going to break them again so what iis the point of you being there? You can't drive a plane over the society, unless you are dropping off cargo for them was another rule. I think that the rule is kind of recognizable because you might damage the society if there is a plane crash.
I think that some of the rules were smart but others made no sense.
Jess M
The Giver
An example of why these rules were created is because if a plane flew over their town, it could drop bombs on the towns people. They use a system where the children are seperated into groups by age because if the children were not, there would probally be issues with bullying and playing with eachother. The families can probally only have 2 children because the other families would want some children too. If pets were allowed, then if a plane flew over the town the pets owners wouldnt have time to find their pet and get them inside safely. Without these rules there would be lots of trajedies and the town would be very unorganized and chaotic.
I think that some of the rules are kinda unnecessary, i think that if a plane flies over the community by accident the pilot should not be released he should just be punished by his boss or something like that. I also think that the three time offense rule could just be eliminated and they should stay in jail in order to learn the lesson and not get three chances, they wont learn their lesson by getting warnings. the last rule i believe unnecessary is that the snacks cannot be taken from the recreation center, if a kid is hungry he shoud be allowed to take home a snack. those are my thoughts on the rules.
Zach.P
Gillette G
I think that they have so many rules is to protect the people, and give them perfect lives. The restricted flying space for pilots would prevent the citizens from being disstracted, and prevent people from entering, or leaving. before these rules were installed, the world was probobly chaotic. If you break any of the rules 3 times, you get released. I think they have that rule because if the people disobey the laws of their town, they have no right to live there, just as we throw our transgressors into a jail. I think peoples jobs get chosen for them because then everyone has a job for life, so they can be laid off. And, so they can provide for their families. Each family is allowed to have 2 children because that would cut down on population problems and getting sufficient food for each family. The telling feelings isn't exactly a rule, but a ritual. It's uselful for controlling peoples feelings, having them admit how they feel, then changing their mind by providing a logical reason to change their opinions. But even though they have restrictions, they still live well. All those rules must have some sort of purpose, otherwise they wouldn't be rules.
One reason why there are no planes allowed is because it reveals a way to get out of the community. Plus that's how they get supplies and they don't want citizens to retrieve the items in the plane so they can get extra things for their family unit. Another rule explanation is for the one boy one girl per family. It's so that they can control how many people is in the community. Not to mention, no one will be alone or abandoned. Another rule is "Feeling Time" with their family. I understand that they might feel better when they release their thoughts; but sometimes people don't like to discuss their feelings with other people. One other rule is that they have ceremonies for "birthdays". It's unneccesary for the children because they could be older than the ceremony states they are, take for example if the child was born on January 1st.
~Megan M.
Many rules are made so the city would be the best it could be... in the Creators eyes.Another rule that I think helps with the idea of a utopia is that no family with more than 2 children, I believe that this is because that way the town is not overpopulated. There are many rules,but I believe that the most important one is "The Ceremony of Twelve." I believe that this is the most important rule because everyone has to have it and it basically determaines your whole life , what you are in society, and what your Assignment is, which may make you happy or depressed, depending on what you want to be.
I believe that the world is just like ours before this world was created. I think there was choice and everyone makes mistakes, but not in the way they are in this world. In our world everything is...well, human, and this "town" is not.
Though the rules may solve many problems, like the 2 children per family, it will also start some, my prediction is that in this town some one will rebell and the whole conspiracy will be unraveled.
-B. Carroll
Tori B.
I think that some of these rules were created to make sure that the citizens knew as little about the outside world as possibe so they don't questiona as much and are willing to obey the rules. We learned that utopias are perfect societys and some of these rules help to make their society perfect. The people in the book don;t think their rules are wierd because this is what they are presented with and they take it to face value. For example, the rule about no planes flying over the community is so that the people in the community aren't accustomed to seeing planes and if they do, they are supposed to be afraid. I think this fear is like the one in The Truman Show. Truman is taught to fear planes so he can't use them to leave and he is contained.
Elena Q
We learned that for a utopia to be perfect, people must be controlled. In cotreversy to that, if people are controlled how can it be a utopia?
I believe that the rule about the plane comes from protecting communities from being bombed. Also, if a plane crashes it wouldn't be over a community, and wouldn't hit anyone in the the community.
The rule about being released after three offences makes sense to me. No utopia can exist with trouble makers who commit crimes, so obviously, they would want to rid the town of that sort of person.
The rule about the the bike, though awful, makes some sense. At nine years old you are physically stronger than when you're younger. This could help you ride your bike better.
I think the rule about not having more than two kids is to control population. Overpopulation would result in too many people, which would result in people not having houses. A perfect society wouldn't have homeless people.
Virginia D
I think the reason that the city created the rules was because it would create a Utopia. With rules they can control what happenes so eveything stays simple, safe and easy.
I think the rule that you can ride your bike only if your nine or older is because at nine you are more stable and have a less chance of falling off. Therefore it would create less injuries.
I also thinf the purpose of the rule that you can only have two kids is that if you have a smaller amount or kids to take care of, it costs less. It would also make sure the population doesnt grow too much or too little.
I belive that people dont want planes flying over the village because it might give people ideas, of leaving the community or bringing foriegners in.
The world without these rules probably was a bit more crazy. With no guid lines it tempts people to try new things out that either are not safe or would get themselves into trouble. thats why rules regulate people so there are limits on what people can and cant do.
♥~Bryce~♥
The rules in Jonas's community may sound strang but they must serve some purpose otherwise they wouldn't exist. The rule that states non-cargo planes are not allowed to fly over the community is probably existant because they are afraid that the citizens would want to get on a plane and leave their community while encouraging others to fallow. The reason they limit the family units to on emother, one father, one daughter, and one son is to prevent over populating and it could also be to prevent a large family to protest the rules and the family being large enough to convince relitaves and friends of the same. The rule that says you have to be a certain age before getting your own bike is to protect the younger children from hurting themselves and others. The rule that states once child reaches a certain age, their stuffed animal is to be taken away from them is to keep the children acting like little kids for too long.
Hannah C.
A utopia is a perfect society. These rules in Jonas's spciety are created to maintain a utopia as much as possible. If families have more than two kids, then they might become poor or out of control, which would disrupt the society, which would not be a utopia. When you are twelve you are recive an assigment that you have to commit to for the rest of your life. This rule helps the community have more workers and more products to help the community running. It may also create less crimes because kids will be occupied and more likely to get in less trouble. If you commit a crime or break a rule more than 3 times you are released. This creates less problems in the society, which gets this community closer to a utopia. These rules solve a lot of problems and keep the community running in an orderly fashion. If the world did not have rules, the world would be out of control, crazy, and it would be a world that no one would not want to live in. There has to be some rules in this world or to many bad things will happen. If to many bad things happen, a lot of people will be dead and we may not even have a world anymore.
Lianne S (respone to Mrs. Meyer's question)
While reading farther into the book The Giver, I relize that although some rules may seem a little controling, they have purposes and reasons. One rule that is in Jonas' community is each family unit will have one male and one female child. I think this rule was made to control the amount of people in the community and so over-population doesn't become an issue for the future. By having two kids, the population in Jonas' community will for the most part not change or vary as the years go on. That could be good for the society because natural resources will always be used at the same rate, it will be harder to run out of food, and you won't need to make more houses for more people. Another rule that is in Jonas' community is having a job assigned to you without your opinion about the job, when you turn into "a twelve". I think the reason for beig assigned a job instead of going to school and picking out your job like we do in our community is to have a controlled community. Also with each person not having the opinion on their job, there would never be un-employment for certain jobs that people don't want to do or un-popular jobs in the community. With everyone having an assigned job, the commuity could run smoother instead of everyone wanting one job or not performing their job right. The last rule in Jonas' community is having to share your feelings with your family at dinner everynight. In our present day community many people openly share their feelings with others leading them to keep most of their emotions bottled up. Whether their feelings positive or negative (like angry, sad, mad, ect.) people can begin having negative thoughts or habits. After people may go crazy, but in Jonas' society people can get help after their issue. Due to that not as much crime may happen, or people may be happier in the long run. Although Jonas' society may seem a little different because of their many rules, the rules in the long run help and benefit the community and its members.
Alex B. (response to Mrs. Meyers comment)
There are many rules that were created in the book, The Giver just as there were in the Utopias we studied. I think thses rules were created in The Giver so that there could be some oerder and conduct. Just like any place in the world, without rules there isnt a lot of order and cooperation. In the book, you have to get assigned a job when you turn twelve years old. I think that this rule was created to make sure their society starts running with more control and making sure jobs have enough workers. I also think that getting a job at twelve can help with maturity and growing up. So that you can grow up and be respectful and responsible and are able to help out your society. Another rule there was, was that when a child is "born for you" they get named by a naming list, not by the parents recieving the child. Personally, I dont think that this rule is necessary. Though it could benefit you and your society in some ways. It could help you with "variety" and making sure that everyone is different I guess. So that, maybe on a weirder level, when people visit or come to their town they can make sure no two people have the same name. Another rule they have is that you have to share your feelings. This could definitely have its benefits. Take for example that someobdy might be feeling suicidal, you could help them by them getting their feelings out about why they might do that. By having people share their feelings, you could potentially save a life. I think the world before having these rules must have been pretty disorderely and maybe boring. With these rules muchthings ca be protected and maybe more people can end up living their life with not a lot of regrets. these rules are important to thier society, but probably would ruin ours.
In the first chapter of the Giver (by Lois Lowry), the narrator shows the reader several rules that are established in the Community. One such rule is that planes, with the exception of cargo planes, are not allowed to fly over the community. My reaction to this rule is that is only slightly unreasonable. The leaders of the community must be considering the risk of an air raid. Another rule is that children are to wait their turn at the Recreation centre with their Childcare group. This also makes sense as a rule. It’s common courtesy to wait your turn. Also, a family unit can only have two children; a boy and a girl. This doesn’t make sense. Perhaps it is so that every family can be equal, but it seems silly for such a rule to exist. These rules are made so that the residents of the community are “happy”. Sometimes, though, these rules are silly.
Lydia J.
(proper one)
Cody S.
Jonas' society appears to be based on rules, some of these rules make sence while others seem extremely bizarre. One rule that is hinted at is that planes are not allowed to fly over the community. Another rule is that every family can only have two children, one male and one female. My first reactions to these rules are that the society is very orderly and controlled.
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